BP oil spill
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- drgsss0
- FUCK YOU SCUMBAG TROLLutopian
- ⇩drgsss
- Sure, I'm comparing them, it's a more useful comparison than just bundling them all under "other."ukit
- U.S. is the worst in terms of absolute numbers - but Europe, EU or not, is not far behind and far worse than the rest of the world.ukit
- world. If we go per capita, Canada is worst, then U.S., but hey, Norway is pretty bad too...ukit
- EU overall is a lot lower per capita but it's also a lot poorer per capita, US $46k vs EU $33kukit
- Countries with high per capita GDP (like Netherlands) are nearly as bad as the U.S. with consumption. Poorer countries like Czech Republic are what drives EU's average down.ukit
- like Czech Republic are what drives EU's average down.ukit
- So , high GDP is an excuse for high oil consumptiondrgsss
- More like high GDP is only possible through high oil consumption.ukit
- With current technology/ infrastructure anyway.ukit
- detritus0
Thank goodness I don't live in Gibraltar any more.
I suspect their number has as much to do with their massive fuel bunkerage facilities serving a worldwide market and airport serving southern Spain as anything else (including their overreliance on UK-Export goods). Still, if anything, it shows you how interdependent countries' oil consumption habits are.
As a Euro, I rely on high Chinese consumption for my cheap goods and high Yankee consumption for my media and tech goods - doesn't matter how small a part these play in my day to day life, I still rely on them.
We're all guilty, is what I'm trying to say - even sanctimonious, pseudo-parsimonious wannabe-fascists like me.
- utopian0
BP's Safety Record
- ukit0
Yeah actually I agree with the overall point you're making. It's the overlying structural and geographic issues that are behind a lot of these differences.
Canada for instance, is cold like you said, but it's also much more spread out than most countries, so you gotta think they spend a lot more on transport costs in terms of oil. But that's also true of the U.S., which is much less densely populated than most of Europe, also we don't have the nice public transport you see in many European countries.
All I was saying is that looking at that original chart you might get the idea that the U.S. alone is bleeding the world's oil dry when that's far from the case. They should have put Europe in there which would have been a close second to the U.S. and ahead of China. It's hard to get exact stats b/c everyone uses different measurements, but going off the government's official numbers here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publ…
U.S. = 19.5 million barrels of oil/ day
EU = 14.3 million barrels/ dayOf course, that's only EU, if you add in the rest of Europe (Norway, Switzerland, etc), there's about another 2 million/ day. So I guess no matter how you slice it Europe is better and more efficient than U.S. and Canada - but not by such a massive amount.
- points taken,
* takes down drgss's poster "die america die"georgesIII - Don't get me wrong, the situation is still pretty bad. You go out to American suburbs, and until recently anyway, everyone at least had two cars, one of which was probably an SUV.ukit
- least had two cars, one of which was probably an SUV.ukit
- points taken,
- georgesIII0
a better sorted list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis…
- georgesIII0
too tired to think in english right now but iìll try,
let say most of the 20 first countries are either island or countries that have severe weather that oscillate between the extreme hot to extremely cold,
es: singapour, kuwait, qatar, etc are countries that consume more energy because the weather is too warm to keep anything fresh so they must run air con constantly (jk, but it is kinda true) and other appliances to keep it cool. My first summer in seoul, I almost died because of how warm and humid it was.you have the islands who depend mostly on imported goods thus they will necessarily consume more energy, they're not connected to any other land and most them depend on a heavy amount of gas/oil to have a decent lifestyle. e.g virgin island, antilles, faroe island, iceland, etc
another example is canada and groenland, winter can last up to 8 month is some parts and you need to keep warm, you know if you want to survive.
now we have Luxembourg, hmmmm they're freaking rich, they just don't give a damm :)
to really evaluate the oil consumption, we should see in what mode the oil imported or produced is used not just the consumption pro capita.
and example is virgin island, don't you think their tourism industry pushes their consumption way high?
http://www.un.org/special-rep/oh…- sorry for the broken english
it is almost 2 am I'm going to bedgeorgesIII
- sorry for the broken english
- ukit0
Only problem I have with that graph is that you could easily take the wrong impression that graph that Americans somehow lead dramatically more wasteful lives than people everywhere else. If you look at oil usage per capita instead of per country though, you get a pretty different picture:
http://www.nationmaster.com/grap…
Turns out America is actually #23 out of all countries, and not really that different from Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, or Australia.
And Canada, Ireland, Singapore, Saudi Arabia are all much worse than the U.S. We're wasteful obviously, and something needs to change, but I think it helps to understand that the huge chunk of world usage in the first graph is really due to the fact that we're the largest wealthy industrialized country. Other rich countries are just as bad, they just happen to have less people.
- georgesIII0
- Others, I knew it.ukit
- It's always "the others."ETM
- ahahahgeorgesIII
- "Others" Is the EU.xcarlx
- "others" are othersdrgsss
- georgesIII0
- I love how this idiot acts like his shit doesn't stinktopic
- babaganush0
Talking of 'Chain of responsibility' check out Warren Anderson former CEO of Union Carbide when the Bhopal disaster resorted in a reported 20,000 deaths.
Wanted for Culpable homicide but refusing to face trial in India and shielded by the U.S government...and that's 26 years ago
- ukit0
Yeah I don't know how you could watch that hearing and come away with the impression that BP is sincerely doing everything it can. I was telling someone the other day I thought hearings like this are usually a waste of time, and my expectation was that I would end up feeling somewhat sorry for Hayward in spite of it all, since he was doing his best to fix things.
In fact, the callous fuck simply refused to answer dozens of perfectly reasonable questions that would have helped people understand the situation. I guess because it's not in BP's interest to shed any light on things. I would have been more impressed if he stood up, Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men style, and accused everyone of hypocrisy because they use oil or something to that effect, but he just sort of obfuscated and mumbled his way though.
Whereas I thought the questions were not actually grandstanding and got into some specific technical issues. But feel free to use whatever storyline is easiest to understand I guess...after all "deathboy" says he doesn't care about the oil spill, unless it makes his gas prices go up. Seems like that's a sentiment shared by a lot of people in this country - me, me, me.
- Ramanisky20
Tony Hayward is just a fucking muppet used by BP for stalling purposes. Did you see how many times he said "I don't know"
during the hearing?
- IRNlun60
Finally some good news. Tony Hayward is finally getting back to normal life. We're so sorry BP to have inconvenienced you in any way.
- ukit0
What's the problem? He's just doing what every normal person would do in their time off, watching their servant sail a $700,000 yacht around an island.