Fire all Teachers
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- scarabin0
it's a tough call without knowing the full story
- agreedPonyBoy
- more on the story - http://www.necn.com/…jerseyred
- JazX0
I'd fire them all too, if they sucked and everyone failed.
- GeorgesII0
Here the bright Minister of Education decided to take out Geography and English, now kids who are already dumbed down by Tv will be even more stupid.
- eieio0
"The firings come over the district's concern that teachers refused to spend more time with students to improve test scores."
...whats the full story to this? Were the teachers being offered to be paid for this extra time with the students? Did they actually "refuse" or did they attempt to negotiate, like unionized free professionals are allowed to do, but then get the finger ?
- PonyBoy-1
- i remember this movie! i hearted this movie back in the daysoooooooooohya
- eieio0
To me this is a classic case of class persecution. Show me one case of a middle class suburban school who's had their entire teaching department fired because of bad grades from the students. There'd be some sort of fucking proactive move, probably with more money and teachers, to make sure the kids grades get better so everyone looks better.
- ntslide0
Born and raised in RI. In retrospect it was one of the most terrible educational experiences I could imagine. I had 2 teachers in 18 years of schooling who took any interest in me. The rest completely fail in terms of doing their job. I can remember teachers purposely humiliating me in front of the class... My favorite story is this one...
I used to build model train sets in my garage and by 5th grade I was a master at landscape and mini set building. I would spend every day after school building mountains and buildings and all kinds of intricate landscapes. Got a school project where we were asked to make a diorama (wish I still got to make these) about a scene from our fav book. My book was A Swiss Family Robinson. I made a scene inside an old wooden wine box that I was so proud of it was ridiculous... I had pulley systems that worked and a motorized waterfall and all kinds of radness.
Brought it into school, set it up, and the teacher proceeded to inform me that there was no way I made the project all on my own. She made me throw the diorama out and apologize to the class for having a project that I didn't do myself. It's actually reaaally funny to me now but I was destroyed at that age.
You tell me that's a professional doing their job and I'll stand up for them any day... Truth of the matter is that my education and the teachers in RI up to high school (went to a different district) were a complete joke.
Fire em. I have so much animosity towards education it's insane...
^Takes diorama out of the trash and runs home...
- You should look the teacher up on facebook .. let them know.lukus_W
- not sure firing would have solved anything in your case or has in this oneeieio
- besides setting the standard that if you unable or unwilling to do your job... you won't have it anymore?ntslide
- following your logic they'd be replaced with someone equally indifferent, so therefore a more productive move would be requiredeieio
- ... more appropriate.eieio
- I understand you could draw that conclusion but my reasoning comes from having several teachers (good and bad) in my familyntslide
- bad) in my family. The good ones are not afraid of being fired because it is their passionntslide
- the bad ones want the check and the pension... sad but that's where I'm coming from.ntslide
- good teachers exist, maybe just not enough to fill the need?ntslide
- But its like you fire everyone....or you spend more money and time training...or somethingeieio
- lukus_W0
Actually, I can understand why they're firing all the teachers.
You have a school, social norms are formed, expectations and student-teacher relationships are pretty much set in stone.
Maybe it's difficult to make incremental change - (psychologically), a complete change / fresh start, stands more chance of succeeding.
- jerseyred0
There is a sad fact that most schools have a child study team that classifies the kids learning abilities, these kids take advantage of those classifications to get out of working hard. Because of ADD, etc. the school's administration create an environment where kids do LESS work because of some classification based off of when they were young. So many kids are classified today that they get extra time for tests, cannot take off due to spelling, and they get extra days off from school excused.
Majority of the time school administration and school psychologists get in the way of any real teaching opting to be friends with the kids and treat them like babies.
- Why do some kids work hard, and some kids not bother? What's the defining factor?lukus_W
- d_rek0
soylent green the poor
- OSFA0
- scarabin0
fire the poor
- OSFA0
I see what you mean jersey, but a kid can't do good on a test or in school if he/she doesnt have a good foundation, guiding, discipline, etc...
- eieio0
its kind of the reverse in terms of policing young poor people but equally redundant. They get less teachers and more cops. Neither solves the real issues they're struggling through. I think the school boards and government social programs need to get funded properly rather than dealing with it the way beurocrats like to deal with things... cuts and cops.
- lukus_W0
For homework, we should all re-watch series 4 of The Wire.
- PonyBoy0
"At $53,473*, Rhode Island was ranked 9th in the nation for average teacher salaries in 2005..."
—teacher-world.com
- jerseyred0
this is a high school - most of these kids are close to being adults and they can't get their shit together? These teachers are so underpaid, work a full day, and are expected to spend MORE time?
The point is that grades don't lie, it's not like a teacher "gave" a kid a grade, that child "earned" that grade - just another example of a generation passing the blame, so when 80% of those kids end up unemployed and can't find a job who should we blame, the employers?