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- oilpanllc0
so bad that it's not good.
- gramme0
David Carson does ugly a lot better than this Meire guy mentioned in Beirut's article.
- neue75_bold0
there's been a steady resurgence of this over the past 5-8 years, some people doing it better than others [< oh the irony of that statement]... Mike Meiré sort of became the champion of it a few years back [at least in terms of someone pretty relevant] when he redid 32c... more on it here http://www.creativereview.co.uk/…
but it's always been around, there's always been an opposing force towards clean, structured "easy" communication design, some movements and trends just had had more behind them then others.. in the last 20 years you see a lot of "being different for the sake of being different" and usually different referring to being "bad"...
Personally I like to see it around, balance is always good and when you're a super clean, structured designer, it helps stand out against a backdrop of more artistically-driven design...
- francoisfido0
there seems to be an interesting kind of internal contradiction to these different interpretations to the term 'anti-design'; i've always thought of 'anti' as something which is truly negating the act of choosing and carefully applying an aesthetic. that is an approach to the 'design' process which favors economical 'default' rather than overtly crafted 'ugly'.
- neue75_bold0
I suppose most people would be quick to toss vernacular design into the "anti-design" pile as well...
- probably the same way I toss 90% of work done for Nike into the "bad design" pile...neue75_bold
- Nike?fredddddd
- whatsup0
Anti-design (adjective) A visual selfishness.
- ThePublics0
I'd say 95% of the design I encounter, graphic or otherwise, is anti-design.
- whatsup0
To have design there must be some sort of human intervention, otherwise there is no design. Therefore we have an anti-design. Whether the design is ugly or unusable, "hopefully" there was some sort of conscience thought into putting the design together. Although a major blur for discussion comes when we try to separate art from design. Whatever does not overlap must also be an anti-design. Here we are not trying to understand good design where bad design is an anti-design because a bad/ ugly design still a design.
What separates science from religion is the emotional factors that are involved. The same can be said with design and art, if you believe design is a science and not a mystical force of nature in which requires us to have faith, belief and emotionally bind us to it without any proof of existence. So religion is an anti-science where art is an anti-design.
- gramme0
I actually agree with francoisfido for once. This New Brutalism or whatever term it will be called in the art history books is like Dada + logic, or at least intuition retrofitted to logical explanations. The interesting thing about the Dada movement was its departure from intention, from reason, from logic. It doesn't work with design, which unlike art must perform a function based on logical objectives.
I think it's perfectly fine for designers to play around with faux-amateur ugliness in their spare time (it's their time, after all), but I have a hard time believing this approach to design yields positive results for clients.
- —and like neue, I would agree that it could even be a good thing to have around.gramme
- —but for academic purposes more than anything commercial.gramme
- http://www.manystuff… isnt design???fresnobob
- The use of type in composition does not design make.gramme
- And I'm a fan of the Dada movement, I find it fascinating in limited ways.gramme
- true... but who says designing chaos isn't designing? A chaotic system is still a system, no?fresnobob
- Yeah but in the case of Meire at least, it isn't chaotic. It's oddly stretched and vibrating but simple.gramme
- (vibrating in a way that I personally don't enjoy).gramme
- (that's wasn't intended nearly as dirty as it sounds)gramme
- lukus_W0
I think it might hold value if your clients wish to be seen as 'edgy'. At least for a while, until the pendulum swings the other way again.
- kult0
- fresnobob0
I gotta jump in here and say David Carson is not "anti-design," and the Meire dude's 32c design is way more awesome than Carson ever was because unlike Carson, Miere is actually a designer and knows what hes doing. David Carson just ripped off other people's ideas (who actually had "serious" reasons for their design being that way) and managed to get famous at it.
Anyways, Carson was just a ripper of postmodernism in design, not defaultness and other things that make stuff "anti-design." HIs shit was hectic and illegible, which could be true of "anti-design," but it doesn't hold the same ideals that "anti-design" does. Anti-design is more of using "folk" type stuff in design, the exceedingly everyday stuff that dads use in microsoft word and things like that.
"Anti-design" is also always going to hold value because theres always going to be something to oppose what "real" designers call design. Its not a trend or an "edgy" (worst, least descriptive word ever, btw) thing, unless dudes really think the whole modernist utopia is actually going to happen...
- jimzyk0
Aunty Designs
- fresnobob0
^ Its not anti-design because Aunty M really designed her site like that because she thought it looked good. It only counts when its a conscious decision, otherwise the anti- is replaced with bad (or uninformed, or whatever)
- gramme0
Well, I see your point fresnobob on Carson vs. Meire, at least in regard to their differing intentions. Whether one is aesthetically better than the other is somewhat subjective I suppose. But what I think is ironic in this new brutalism is the (supposed) painstaking craft involved in making something that looks folky as you put it. Something that most people couldn't tell apart from the MySpace-inspired amateur stuff. In other words, the audience who will appreciate this work for its intentions is miniscule to the point of being practically obsolete imo.
- jimzyk0
but it's an Aunty Design.... not an anti design.
she is anti design without even knowing it.she does good fun pouches!
- sarag0
i agree anti-design or whatever does have a place.. its for particularly niche clients perhaps
- sarag0
i dont think anti-design (where its thought out is bad design)... which is why i think people confuse it with people who don;t know anything about design. i think consciously it is done by people well versed in design aesthetics