Another dead cyclist...
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- boomking0
Sorry to hear about your loss. We just had this happen in LA yesterday - very happy with the verdict as the guy was a total menace. And I've ridden up this road hundreds of times....
- yeah- nothing more dangerous than a frustrated driver. Van drivers are the worst in that regardProjectile
- fooler20
I have seen way to many of these in Portland
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'great' idea though. sadly.detritus - ; ( It's so sad seeing those!Projectile
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- detritus0
Moth - I've never yet been anywhere near ramming a pedestrian* - they always have right of way over me, regardless of what I might involve myself in. Same with cars. Why? Because I'm precariously balanced on a thin frame of metal, sometimes travelling at speed. ANY physical encounter I have, be it with a car, a person, a dog, a glass bottle, a broom handle at 45 degrees to the wheel (drove over one rounding Highbury Corner once - really not a pleasant experience), an over-sized pebble - anything - is going to cause me a colourful cross-spectrum of pain.
As a cyclist, my motivation is to not hit anything. Or, for that matter, be hit by anything - you must surely aprpeciate how drivers are in London? It's survival of the nippiest out there.
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* Now, obviously, because I've just said that, I'm likely to take out a grandmother or small child tomorrow - just wait.
- JackRyan0
I got nailed on my scooter when a van ran a stop sign, people just don't pay enough attention. I guess the guy took off when I was laying in the middle of the intersection unconscious. The next thing I remember is being carried out of the street. I ended up having two broken bones on my foot. May face and hands were all cut up, Im just glad I didn't die.
- Projectile0
So, so sorry. there you go. I've left out the chewing gum and leaves on the tarmac for simplicity's sake....
- Option C. Pedestrian get's killed by cyclist.moth
- read the text.Projectile
- lowimpakt0
where exactly are the lights positioned?
the current thinking is that cars should be moved back from the junction giving cyclists time to get ahead of turning cars or for crossing to the right.
that is what advanced stopping lines are for - They don't always work as either cars pull into them or they are too short - hence teh point about dynamic signalling
- moth0
Now hang about.
I don't know much about road planning but I've NEVER seen lights in that position. Why are they there? That's a stupid example. You might get lights like that a cross-roads, in which case the fool on the bike would still die at step 3.
- eh? wth are you on about? right-side line is middle of the road, man. London's full of red lights like this!detritus
- lowimpakt0
some ideas
raised cycle paths like what they have in denmark - so cars don't drive over or park in cycle lanes.
properly design junctions with dynamic signalling to give preference to cyclists (i.e. cyclists have a few seconds to move out into junctions before they get cut up by asshole cars)
properly trained cyclists with the confidence and decent road sense.
less cars in cities/urban areas full stop
proper enforcement of traffic "crimes" - I mean serious enforcement of shit parking, running red lights, speeding etc etc
no large lorries in any central city area between 7am and 7pm
proper cycle facilities
enforecement of cycling with no lights or proper reflective gear - cycling needs to be taken seriously as a form of transport
- dMullins0
I don't get why people get so upset about cyclists going through lights after properly make sure the way is safe. This is by far the safest way for a cyclist to avoid injury at an intersection (which by the way, is where the most cycling accidents occur, statistically), or when passing through one.
Grayson Dawson (the driver at fault) would have hit and killed David Sherman regardless of this.
One thing's for sure—I'll probably think twice before driving even remotely intoxicated again.
- Projectile0
Nuf said
- moth0
Insurance for cyclists is only a joke, GeorgesII, because the insurance companies wouldn't offer it at all - just like they don't offer it for any other stupidly dangerous pastime.
I would LOVE to see registration plates on bikes. Stand at the lights on the Mall in London, and you will see, without fail, 95% of the fuckers jump the lights.
- dMullins0
The idea of registration plates on a bike is really not a bad idea. I definitely don't agree with the insurance though.
- dMullins0
Well in the end, turns out Grayson Dawson was driving at night, on her birthday, so we can all assume that she was probably toasted and driving recklessly—she was clearly cognizant enough to make a U-turn and flee the scene of the crime. She then laid low for nine days while determining (with a lawyer, no doubt) how to proceed. Bitch only turned herself in because they found her car with blood smears on it, and a broken front windshield.
Now she's out on bond freely going about her life—what a crock of shit.
Grayson Warren Dawson should be kept in jail to think about what she's done, until the day she faces trial and goes to jail for however many years for criminally negligent manslaughter, and felony hit-and-run. She should pray to her LDS god that she is lucky to have avoided another felony, as well as another misdemeanor.
- 23kon0
GeorgesII
It's not a rediculous thing. It would make cyclists instantly accountable if they had reg plates so would probably make a lot more of them follow the laws of the road that everyone else abides by.
Every other "VEHICLE" driver on the road has to go through a test and have registration documents.
- if a cyclist break the law and gets killed, the driver is not accountable. Sound fair? Does to meProjectile
- Iggyboo0
I am sorry to hear about your friend, it is awful but it is all too common place to hear about their is very little safety of riding bikes on streets filled with cars. I too know a friend I grew up with who was killed by a truck when it was a foggy day. But it doesn't have to be a foggy day, just has to be a day with a driver on a cell phone, why risk your life on streets with a bike especially in high speed areas or congested ones? I agree it's better for the environment but not at the potential risk. cars and bikes just don't mesh.
- 23kon0
"Obviously we have all seen a handful of retarded bikers not obeying the rules of the road."
Where I am its actually the minority of cyclists that follow the laws of the road or stop at red lights. I always assume a cyclist is going to shoot a red light in the city centre and i'm actually caught by surprise if one actually STOPS at a red light.
If I was to break as many laws driving to work as one of the many cyclists I see on my commute then i'd be in jail pronto.
I'd love to see cyclists being more accountable for their actions
- registration plates
- having to sit a licence test - at the moment anyone can get a bike and jump on the road
- insurance?
The reg plates will mean that they can be reported or caught on cameras jumping red lights or mounting pavements.- insurance?? ahahaha lol, how about registration plates on rollers or skate and even rfid the walkers
GeorgesII
- insurance?? ahahaha lol, how about registration plates on rollers or skate and even rfid the walkers
- raf0
@moth
You are wrong here. The accidents actually were caused by car drivers. So said the police or/and the court in each case. Two of the guys got new bigger bikes from insurance money already. One of them has actually had two similar accidents in the last 2-3 years somebody bumping into him from the side.
One of the recent cases was my friend flipping over a car on an intersection which he was crossing at a green light. The car crossing on red was driven by a teenage girl who was with her girlfriends and on the phone (just like in this Gwent Police video). There were lots of witnesses to confirm.My point is though, despite the accidents being caused by reckless car drivers, it is fucking absurdly dangerous to ride a motorbike.
- locustsloth0
Are bicyclists supposed to obey the same rules of the road as car drivers? i ask because i often see bicyclists barely stop at red lights and stop signs and then proceed if it's clear.
- Obviously we have all seen a handful of retarded bikers not obeying the rules of the road.dMullins
- handful? All of them.moth
- proceed IF it's clear? after slowing right down? yup. It's safer than dicing trafficProjectile
- blaw0
@raf
New motorcyclists are the same as new motorists—not enough muscle-memory to automatically adjust without thinking. Too much thought focused on actually operating the machine leaves not enough thought focused on other drivers, miscellaneous road hazards and reacting to the unexpected.
Of course cars take out bikes, but how often do you hear of a rider in their first couple years of riding that "failed to negotiate a turn".
If your brother takes the first couple of years seriously he'll likely be just fine. Beginner and Advanced Safety Courses are a great place to start, but plenty of riding time and practicing with cones on a Saturday morning goes a long way towards becoming familiar with a machine.
- <-- the voice of experiencelocustsloth
- All of my biker friends had lots of training, went across Europe a few times each, wear best protective gear.raf
- The guy who flipped over a car has long years of experience and is the voice of reason himself. That wasn't enough.raf
- That's not what you said. You said 30s guys in their crisis, meaning "just got too big a bike to handle". That's what I was speaking towards.blaw
- ...was speaking towards.blaw
- They weren't Sunday bikers, they rode daily - just that they decided to fulfill bike dreams in their 30s - a tad funny, but...raf
- ...perhaps that's the age you get a bit smart to play on the safe side.raf
- moth0
See? Projectile doesn't accept that the blame could possibly EVER lay with the fleshy human being playing around in traffic made up of solid steel and dead weight traveling at speed. That's not at all an accident waiting to happen is it? Because fleshy human is being "careful" and that'll keep him safe.
- ive got your back Moth23kon
- I didn't say there wasn't any danger. I said that motorists should be more careful and considerateProjectile