Human Origins Rethink ?
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- mikotondria3
Move over, Lucy. And kiss the missing link goodbye.
Scientists today announced the discovery of the oldest fossil skeleton of a human ancestor....and it lends weight to the alternative theories of human evolution that propose 1 man was created from mud, on a Saturday morning...
- TheBlueOne0
So when does this turn into a religion vs. evolution thread?
- * creationism vs evolution . . . religion is a much more comprehensive topiczman
- there is a white sector that by no means want to believe they came from a monkey from africaCALLES
- now.Corvo2
- Its a test sent by god to fool non believers!!!!
Countryman
- TheBlueOne0
Humans: Fire. Bipedalism. Opposable Thumbs. Giant Fucking Brain. Hackable social organization.
We rock.
- TheBlueOne0
- dude i love this. 2 posts above you ask when this turns into religion vs. evolution...k0na_an0k
- then you post this. lol.k0na_an0k
- Hahaha. I know. I see a pot of shit and I have to stir.TheBlueOne
- CALLES0
PROVEN!!!
Sex for Food
"Lovejoy sees these changes as part of an epochal shift in social behavior: Instead of fighting for access to females, a male Ardipithecus would supply a "targeted female" and her offspring with gathered foods and gain her sexual loyalty in return."
- so you're saying all women are greedy whores ?mikotondria3
- NO!CALLES
- but they will get together with a guy that can provide... and that is okCALLES
- what do they provide in return, sex ?
That makes them whores, it's their nature. So you say.mikotondria3 - nope... its nesting... procreate and continue the raceCALLES
- "been an excellent way to bear more offspring"CALLES
- fuck the species. I just want to keep my money.mikotondria3
- haha! but we do all like sex and maybe a little snack after itCALLES
- Id rather have money than sex. Despite being married. And somewhat simian in appearance.mikotondria3
- CALLES0
To keep up his end of the deal, a male needed to have his hands free to carry home the food. Bipedalism may have been a poor way for Ardipithecus to get around, but through its contribution to the "sex for food" contract, it would have been an excellent way to bear more offspring. And in evolution, of course, more offspring is the name of the game (more: "Did Early Humans Start Walking for Sex?).
- Jimbo820
Wow. 3.2 Million years. Just try and imagine that, it's insane.
- Mimio0
Amazing we even have this information considering how fragile the remains are.
- -also I love the way Mko introduced this... always funny Miko.Mimio
- why thank you, Mimio - I too enjoy your wise and witty leftist supplements to the fray :)mikotondria3
- ukit0
Makes you wonder what else we don't know...
- mikotondria30
It's true, we don't know shit, really - I mean we have an enormous body of knowledge on the basics of past life, but fossilisation is so rare that we really can't expect that much in the way of data for a typical 2 million years in one particular species evolutionary path, be it a conche, a palm tree or the one we are really interested in, our own..
Its true that given the time-span of life on earth, and the relatively high amount of bio-available chemistry that is tied up in the biosphere at any one time, that the matter that makes up our bodies - the eyes through which we read these words have been the bodies of billions of organisms in the past - our homonid ancestors, the things they ate, the rats that picked through ancient rome, the dinosaurs, the carboniferous forests that covered the entire planet, and the 6 foot millipedes that lived there - we really and truly are made of and from everything that has ever lived here, or ever will.- what an awful run-opn sentence that doesn't finish properly. I'm such a cunt, please ignore me.mikotondria3
- i dig it. but you're still a cunt. : )lambsy
- duckofrubber0
How the hell does this bolster any "made from mud on a Saturday" theory? If anything this is yet another piece of proof for evolution, albeit it does dramatically alter our understanding of where primates branch. I think it is an incredibly exciting find for this very reason, having come from an anthropology background before moving to graphic design.
- Sarcasm?ukit
- Maybe a little.duckofrubber
- From him I meanukit
- I should hope so, although I'm not so sure...duckofrubber
- Oh wait... maybe, maybe.duckofrubber
- ...I can hear you, you know.
It was really an attempt to start a creation/evolution argument. A nasty one.mikotondria3 - Yeah, I figured this out.duckofrubber
- ukit0
Makes you wonder if, 65 million years from now, whatever runs the planet will even know we were ever here.
A species that is around just a few million years doesn't have a chance of leaving much of a record.
- TheBlueOne0
"Bipedalism may have been a poor way for Ardipithecus to get around..."
Was listening to a podcast with an anthropologist last week that really put the pressure on this whole "bipedalism is a poor way to get around" thing. In fact, bipedalism is a glorifyingly amazing way to get around over long distances. Consider also that humans are one of the few (if not only) mammals that perspires. In other words we expel excess heat through our skin, whereas all other mammals - dogs, horses, cats, etc.expel heat through respiration - i.e. panting. Meaning they have to stop after heavy bouts of exertion.
Sure, as mammals go we are kind of slow, no matter how much we celebrate Usian Bolt, but the anthropologist made the point that, sure over a few miles a horse or a cheetah will smoke a human, but extend that to a 25 miles scale and human will win everytime hands down, because the horse has to stop and rest for such long periods of time. He further summarized that humans excelled at hunting, which we started at before fire and weapon making skills, primarily because we relentless tracked down the game until it grew exhausted.
Another guy has theorized that we actually domesticated fire pretty early on, which meant we were cooking our food, thus extracting more caloric content from it. This explains our smaller bellies and the timeline for our smaller teeth...
I love this stuff...
- Ardipithecus probably didn't need to travel very far.Mimio
- era4O40
My new twitter pic, thanks!
- jimbojones0
WTF is wrong with you all, you mean that little B book is not for realz?!
- mikotondria30
also being bipedal meant a lot less of our body was exposed to the sun, and increased our ability to see further distances, thus proving an advantage by increasing the efficiency and range of our hunting abilities.
However, standing up presented the genitals to other homonids and to offset the increased visual arousal and consequent disruption to our social interactions that that presented, we developed clothing at approximately the same time we developed another great social accelerant - language.- the standing to see out on the plains and hunt theory is dead. No plains existed where our hominid ancestors evolved.baseline_shift
- afghanistan ? Everywhere has plains..mikotondria3
- not then. The plant and animal matter they found with these recent fossils was of a forested area. Climates changebaseline_shift
- I grudgingly yet welcomingly accept your premise, sir.mikotondria3