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- Orbit0
I think its easy to allow the fact that he's been on the run from US justice for 30 years to feel like he's been a free man for 30 years and therefore somehow less culpable than if he had been arrested back when the warrant for his arrest was issued.
It isn't the case that he's been allowed to roam free without punishment and now, for reasons unknown, someone has decided to bring him down, possibly for other political reasons. Its simply that he was rich enough to flee justice, and smart enough to studiously avoid entering any territory that was within reach of US law for 30 years. Now he's fucked up by going to Switzerland to receive his lifetime achievement award. Ego got the better of him no doubt.
- he just didn't expect the swiss to arrest him, he visited S. before. Don't think it's an ego thing.jimbojones
- raf0
He owns a house in Switzerland and spends a lot of time there. They wanted it to be spectacular no doubt.
- raf0
The purpose of the law is not only punishment, it is prevention. Letting him go easily is a green light for all the pervs out there. That's why they keep chasing him.
I think the Swiss court will let him go, there are 2 or 3 instances he'll be going through. These sort of crimes wipe out in Switzerland in 15 years, 30 if it's a life sentence.
On a side note, 18 as age of consent is unnatural, it is lower in so many countries and for centuries 20 year old men married 15 year olds..
On another side note, he fled to France, which wouldn't extradite their own citizen. It has changed now, countries betray their own more and more - a sign of decaying times I'd say.
- pascii0
publicity stunt.
- freitag0
for me it is a simple list, only as i see it based on what i have read:
- he is not a hazard to society
- victim doesn't want him to be convicted, doesn't want publicity and emphasizes it wasn't rape at all
- mr. Polanski had a very traumatic past, which is not something to justify a crime or letting him go, but in a lot of courts in decent nations you have such a thing as a human aspect.
- he has shown to be a warm, generous man to those who are close to him and is of very high artistic value to many, for instance those who were victim of WWII.
- it's not like he is some sort of Gary Glitter, repeatedly travelling to poor countries to rape kids below 13 even
- most nations (in EU at least) have a period in which the crime expires, usually between 10 and 30 years, even for murder (!)- and yes, i grew up with a lot of work by Polanski and learned to appreciate the art cinema as i grew up. both my parents were of artistic nature (also professionally) in film etc. so i may be biased.
- i, personally(!) do not believe so much in justice for the sake of justice, as it sometimes can do more harm than good. Just as I am strongly opposed against the death penalty.
- I agree. Like Michael Jackson. Yeah he fiddled little boyz, but he music was off the chain yo!Khurram
- Was that ever proven? I thought you were a journalist, Kuz?freitag
- about Michael Jackson? I thought everyone knew.... It was on E!Khurram
- ok, apparently your on e, again.. lol.freitag
- You are delusional and completely out of touch with reality... I though you had a lot of work to do? Seek help!utopian
- no silly, "E!" the entertainment news channel. I haven't done MDMA in aaaagesKhurram
- Freitag are you also a Nazi sympathizer as well?utopian
- what has that to do with it?freitag
- looks like grandstanding to me...headlines for a 'big bust'...it's ridiculous...exador1
- Khurram0
i feel sorry for Gary Glitter actually. Just cos his music is/was shit, he can't get away with fucking children.
- basically what your'e saying janne von der beakKhurram
- like i said, it is my opinion. and there is a whole world of difference between the two.freitag
- it's a very weak comparison.freitag
- that world of difference is only your prejudicesKhurram
- nope. it is in the repeated counts of felony where the difference lies. you should know.freitag
- Polanski also fucked a 15 year old Nastassja Kinski. Glitter was tried in the UK for posessing child pornKhurram
- never for rape. In Thailand he fucked 13/14 year old Thai prostitutes.Khurram
- Polanski was done for drugging and sodomising a 13 year old.Khurram
- I'm sure the courts will take all these "facts" into consideration when passing sentence.Khurram
- jimbojones0
- he is not a hazard to society
you never know until after it's too late- victim doesn't want him to be convicted, doesn't want publicity and emphasizes it wasn't rape at all
back then it pretty much seemed like rape- mr. Polanski had a very traumatic past, which is not something to justify a crime or letting him go, but in a lot of courts in decent nations you have such a thing as a human aspect.
not something to justify a crime
- he has shown to be a warm, generous man to those who are close to him and is of very high artistic value to many, for instance those who were victim of WWII.
why would this matter at all?- it's not like he is some sort of Gary Glitter, repeatedly travelling to poor countries to rape kids below 13 even
agreed- most nations (in EU at least) have a period in which the crime expires, usually between 10 and 30 years, even for murder (!)
rape and murder don't expire, as they are some of the worst things one human can do to another.- and yes, i grew up with a lot of work by Polanski and learned to appreciate the art cinema as i grew up. both my parents were of artistic nature (also professionally) in film etc. so i may be biased.
you may be biased- i, personally(!) do not believe so much in justice for the sake of justice, as it sometimes can do more harm than good. Just as I am strongly opposed against the death penalty.
in felony there is ONLY justice for the sake of justice. the damage is irreparable, so why bother? if someone wipes out a whole family and is otherwise a nice guy, well, nobody's there to seek revenge so let's forget about it?- any dutch judge will say "revenge" is only the smallest portion of a judgement. and so it should be imho.freitag
- then it's only justice for the sake of justicejimbojones
- freitag0
if one still lives with the idea of a perfect justice or governing system, you haven't come far enough in the journey that is called life. :)
- GeorgesII0
bullshit Freitag, you're point of view is bullshit,
you rape, you go to jail
you murder, you to go jail
you steal, you go to jailwhy should we give him a special treatment? go fuck a 13yo and see what happens to you in jail, people go to jail for smoking weed, why should we give him a free pass?
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- we shouldn't give *him* a special treatment.. *sighfreitag
- freitag0
well, i for one am scared by some of your opinions. but i am sure it is also the other way around.
it is simply the way i stand firmly in life, i am far far more about forgiveness and a humane treatment and looking for solutions, therapy and healing than plain revenge. the word revenge always makes me think of rednecks.
anyway, sandwich time. i'm out. :)
- then why aren't you forgiving towards Gary Glitter??!!! Cos the media made him out to be a TOTAL monster???Khurram
- Is he beyond redemption through his art like Polanski is??Khurram
- for realz, go fuck a 13yo and see how her father is about forgivenessjimbojones
- Khurram0
When i was 12, i would have LOVED to have fucked my 26 year old RE teacher, she was soooooo fit, i tell ya. I wuda been all over that shit. Biggest regret of my life that i didn't attempt to woo her.
- freitag0
i know i stand alone here. too bad.
let the hate go on. believe in hate, revenge and hardship.
enjoy your world.
bye!
- No hate, in fact I feel sorry for him, that he did such a stupid thing. But criminals should go to jail.jimbojones
- freitag0
like Bob Baer (CIA) said:
The truth is always circumstancial.
(and so should judgement be)
- but the only reason you're sympathetic to him is cos you like his films! d00d, that's way outta whackKhurram
- and has no place in a "justice" system.Khurram
- And i do believe in forgiveness.Khurram
- i say it as i am no judge. simply defending my personal view here. yes, i am a great fan. why lie about it?freitag
- is that how you believe justice should be served? Depending on how popular the perp' is?Khurram
- no. i don't believe that. like i said, it is my viewpointfreitag
- utopian0
freitag seek help!
http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/ce…- don't be mean. He's pitched his tent pro-Polanski and now there would be too much cognitive dissonance to changeKhurram
- Don't be mean? Here is what Polanski, Jr. had to say. http://img36.imagesh…utopian
- he's just a little emotional right now...Khurram
- i am not emotional. i am for a nuanced humanistic justice system which looks at all aspects of a case..freitag
- Jnr_Madison0
Fuck a kid - got to jail.
- or locked in a room with Khurram for an hour.Jnr_Madison
- time for airey to make a tee in liza protypist
- icanhaz liza pro?jimbojones
- utopian0
janne76 = freitag
*answers everything