CP+B outsourcing on Crowdspring...
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- lukus_W0
In one sense, crowdspring could be seen as a cheap way to brainstorm / find out what non-advertising types think about design. Many this is what they're doing?
- OSFA0
Hired! as an unpaid intern of course...
http://www.crowdspring.com/proje…
hahaha... "could be a cool tatoo, too."
- raf0
I sense fear in this thread, fuelled by every designer's deeply hidden hunch that the industry has been getting hugely overpaid for all this time and it couldn't possibly last forever :)
- Coffeemaker0
^ ignore the above. read the brief too fast. i'll go cry in the corner now.
- lukus_W0
^ raf, personally I feel anger towards CrowdSpring rather than fear.
Their business is exploitation, and I reckon that the fact that they operate according to on-spec principles is going to have an effect on everyone's perception of the industry. Why should anyone work for free? Why should they get paid for creating an environment where this can happen?
The fact that they set-up during a down-turn makes it seem even more morally corrupt.
I think you definitely have a point though - a lot of salaries in the industry do seem too-good-to-be-true / vastly over-inflated.
- 5timuli0
Shhhh, one of the Brammo guys has started following me on Twitter... they're assembling a pro-crowdsourcing strike force as we speak...
- 5timuli0
By the way, I think those Brammo bikes look pretty nice. Seriously.
- yeah they look quite nice.
even though not as powerful as i hoped...Coffeemaker
- yeah they look quite nice.
- raf0
lukus_W, nobody is forced to use their business. The fact that they set up during a down-turn is a good sign that you can launch a successful business even in hard times.
I was kidding about the "overpaid" part. Some people make gigantic money, a lot make shit money, quite a few make decent money and this is the way it should be, in any business - be it a corporation or drug dealing (there is a fascinating analysis in Freakonomics http://www.amazon.com/Freakonomi… ). The market decides everyone's work worth.
Exploitation? Are you kidding? Are you forced to use them? Is anyone? They are providing a platform, they put a lot of work into it - what's wrong with charging for it? Because designers are afraid spec work will become the expected way of commissioning work by clients?
Good designers have nothing to be afraid of. They don't do spec work if they don't want to.CrowdSpring is a good way for beginners to build a portfolio and for businesses to try a cheap solution.
I always said cheap teenage designers who lived with their parents and worked for peanuts were a very important part of the ecosystem. They educate the client (while getting educated themselves).
The rookie client goes to them for a cheap solution first, learns a lesson not to deal with amateurs and the next year is back at the pro's door. If the kid is good though, he'll become a pro and will rise his prices in a year or two anyway.There is a chance however we are observing a paradigm shift, one similar to the observed slow extinction of newspapers.
Perhaps spec work for peanuts is the future?!.. I guess this is the biggest fear.To insulate yourself from these problems, be super-good at what you do and spread the word you are expensive.
Turmoil or not, Rolls-Royces and Ferraris always have business.- if someone doesn't have many options -> they're more likely to take what's offered...lukus_W
- .. offering them the 'chance' to get paid, is exploiting their situation imo.lukus_W
- .. and the fact they set up in a downturn ensures they have more people on the breadline willing to take anything.lukus_W
- That's a very socialist view - someone giving a chance is "exploiting" :)raf
- But you are right - there isn't enough jobs for all in design, some should seek other careers. Nothing wrong with that.raf
- __TM0
http://www.mullen.com/2009/08/cr…
fuck that shit
- version30
2009 Brammo Enertia
Base price: $11,995*
Powertrain: fan-cooled; sealed, brushless, permanent magnet AC motor; 3.1 kWh-capacity, 76.8-volt, lithium iron phosphate battery pack, direct drive
Seat height: 32 inches
Weight: 324 pounds
Top speed: 55+ miles per hour
Average range per charge: 50 miles
Charge time: approximately 4 hours
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- Iggyboo0
Alright, this is ridiculous and incredibly hard to believe. Do we have confirmation from industry peeps this is the real thing?
IF IT IS & ONLY IF IT IS:
I am disgusted, by the obvious and that Crisping Bogusky had an internship ebay bid. I heard it went over 10,000 dollars usd just to work at this place as an intern. Ok.. This company has no shame, ontop of that.. their Microsoft account was noted to be a 300 million dollar ad account with them. Are you telling me the company that is making 300 million on campaign creative has to crowdsource for an identity. If so they might need to hire a new CFO lol. Secondly, what in the hell is happening to our industry, doesn't anyone value creative anymore... Represent NO SPEC http://www.no-spec.com and to qbn owners and other blog owners I'd be thrilled if you took a stance on this.- no, you could buy the interns' workting time, it went to brammo for 18k (money split between 40 interns) and now the contest is on crowdspring, because the interns are talentless I guessjimbojones
- on crowdspring, because the interns are talentless I guessjimbojones
- I hear Stanford charges a lot more for education and a fab resume entry at the end.
Outrage, anyone?raf - Wonderful... Sorry for the misinformation then, I heard it wrong. Well just the same how valuable is your creative if you have to crowdsource for it..Iggyboo
- have to crowdsource your creative.Iggyboo
- stanford comparison is way offjimbojones
- Of course it's off, but even if CP+B would charge interns, it's their business, not ours.raf
- it is common to charge for education, it's not common to pay a company to work there, it's not Krusty Krab you knowjimbojones
- Obviously you haven't read Tom Sawyer in a while.raf
- still a huge leap to realityjimbojones
- version30
well i'm thinking about all the motorcycle companies/logos out there and can't think of anything using a shape or silhouette other than their word mark... kawi, suzuki, yamaha, triumph, even the buell line of hd, victory, etc. hell even bmw just uses their quadrant circle same as their cars. it seems this existing brammo mark is more fitting for a hard drive or printer. if this is a real need on behalf of brammo, it will or at least should likely come down to the b in a selection of shield shapes. though after reading their stats I'm sure this company won't be able to do much with higher prices/less range
- raf0
You are a bunch of whiny girls.
I like schjetne's and airey's theories though.
- Kiggen0
Are they that shortminded?
A logo is a part of an identity process.
Its the second step in a long process of a identity overhaul.
Its a startpoint to work together with the client of improving his brand and normally the start of long process of working together.
What crowdsourcing does is give a piece of the puzzle for a 1000 euro and than wave goodbye, it degenerates the designer to a mere faceless image-monkey. Quite sad.
But maybe its a CP+B stunt, who knows...
- Frosty_spl0
I bet brammo is paying CP+B 100k for the logo too.
- jimbojones0
recently I saw a contest by a fortune 100 company (didn't check if it was true though), $300 for a logo. I don't understand this shit.
- ukit0
Actually no - brammo won a contest to get their brand designed by CP + B on eBay
- Frosty_spl0
I saw this on a motorbike forum the other day: