joshua davis bashing by CR
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- pascii0
there are two quotes i've heard:
"if i would always listen to what people tell about my work, i wouldn't be there where i am today"
and
"as soon as you start to think, you're an artist, you should quit your dayjob"
- dMullins0
"Don't these people know I was lord of 08 ? huh what's 08 ? jesus."
- Joshua Davis, QBN, May 2009
- GeorgesII0
An old wise man once said,
If you can't pray in the bus, Pray at the station.sorry, had to :)
- Autokern0
var Autokern:Cunt = myself as Cunt;
- PrayStation0
tommy... October... LA... Adobe MAX... I'd like to show you more of my CRASS. hit me up on e-mail.
- Khurram0
To echo snuggles,
Josh (may i call you Josh?), i think ultimately you should be FLATTERED that people hold you up to a higher standard than most in your field.
And that's part of what it is. There's lots of competent "talented" people in this world, doing their day jobs and imitating their heroes and doing competent work and getting patted on the back cos they did "good for them"
But there are only a select few who are "elite" in anythign they do. And they are held to a different standard/criteria, and people demand different things from them.
- mathinc0
Hmmm. While I think the booking of JD at a type conference is a tad odd. Daniel West did a good job of taking this to a really personal level - so is this outcome surprising knowing what kind of person Joshua Davis is? I've met and drank with Davis before and the guy is energy-filled and crass, which personally, I appreciated. This field has introduced me to way too many annoyingly reserved, ill passionate and pseudo intellectuals. I doubt any of them would tell a story about their axe wielding neighbor with the sort of glee and excitement of Davis. That's him. Love him or hate him, I guess West hates him.
As far as his work, personally, the guy made me a believer in flash and actionscripting. His art is of course subjective, just the same as it is for every artist working in any medium. But to say that his work is more suited to desktops and screensavers is going a little bit too far, or actually, it's not going deep enough imo. It would be like someone going to a high fashion runway show and then reporting that 'I wouldn't wear any of that, it's rubbish.' Of course! But when you look at the commercial stuff that Davis does, it's fitting and applicable. West seems to be lacking creatively to mentally make the leap between art and design, how ideas are formulated in the art that can then be translated and interpreted in design.
Personally I really like Josh Davis and while I appreciate his energy and crassness, I can understand how the eggheads would pick him out of the crowd for public castration. But they're design eggheads, and they're not the type to ever stray far enough from the flock to ever do anything meaningful.
- neue75_bold0
The last thing I'll say and to try and encapsulate all the rubbish I've posted so far in this thread is this – we all should [<italics] act responsibly when we're the ones creating 'stuff' for public consumption. It's easy to get caught up in what makes us happy, but this whole art/design/communications thing should be a bit more than just that. There's a lot of people looking at what we produce, there's a lot of opportunity there to be taken..
- PrayStation0
harlequino... wow. well put.
- Horp0
So anyway, Josh... I haven't actually done any work yet, but... when I do, can I put you down for a piece?
20k.
Okay, I'll let you have it for 6k.
- Khurram0
Furry muff Josh.
You said something inspirational one time about a design you sent to Korn and they said don't send us this, all that matters is what YOU think not what we think.
That is true.
But his opinion sounded quite valid to me. It's just an opinion, but some of us agree with it, some of us don't. We don't need grand theories as to why our opinions are correct, but for me your workd doesn't inspire me like it used to.
Sorry.
I hadn't actually thought about it, but when the writer said it was like a desktop screensaver i thought "that's true! Why is this more clever than a computer generated screensaver?"
Sorry
Not that that matters. And not that what CR said matters. But some of us agree with it, some of us don't.
- dibec0
I don't get it. I have always felt art to be subjective, you know "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Mr. Davis has been a pioneer in his field and done so very well. It's not for everyone, my father would prefer Monet or Renoir, my wife Frida, and I ... well I pretty much love art especially anything special or different. Jill Greenberg (photographer) has found a style and people/clients pay her big monies to obtain that look. It is no different for Joshua's work. He is making a living off what he does best and loves it.
Summary: Be it design, art, photography, etc. people will love or hate.
- PrayStation0
francoisfido... my Major at Pratt was Illustration. YES.
- MrDinky0
All I can say is that JD has been the guy who was in forefront in flash starting back in the days and still do but more in artistic sense.
i think commercialization is inevitable. Warhol had is factory and Koons have Koonies to realize his work. Not to say JD has an army. Bruce Mau said once that good designer do good work but great designer sell good work as great work.
I think what it comes down to is that digital art tends to treated as lesser of an art. After over 10 years, web / interactive is considered still not real design or art. And I think it still has a long way to go. Remember video artists?
Regardless I prefer crit to group love. I find group love doesnt get you anywhere. Personality wise, I expect anyone who is good to be a self absorbed ass (well except Sam Dallyn).
P.S. This post does not make sense, a mere brain dump.
- stem0
I guess if you have found a successful "style" or approach which clients like and it keeps you in work, then there's nothing wrong with that. For all we know, he could have loads of other stuff up his sleeve or other stuff he's working on.
A lot of what has been said can be said of a lot of successful designers/artists/agencies - But why re-invent the wheel?
Yeah, you can argue about being creative for the sake of it and process and all that but a true creative person is the one who recognises when they are onto something instead of wasting time trying to do something "different".
- ceiling_cat0
i olmost had to wip out mie layser eyez
- ceiling_cat0
dis thred and teh blog is a lot of readin, sillie hoomans, srsly
- neverscared0
i dig his work, the presentation and workshop files from his site are awesome too...
- fyoucher10
David West...what a jackass. Keep doing what you're doing JD.