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- Milan0
buuuurn the wiiitch
- CygnusZero40
She should be punished, but that's a little steep.
- sikma0
So if you were on the hook for 2million what would you do? Clearly she doesn't have the money or any intention on paying it back. Do you just declare bankruptcy? Move to another country?
- Milan0
does anyone pay for music these days? i don't
- why not ?mikotondria3
- I have NO copyright infringed music on my machine, none at all. There is so little out there worth having, that I pay for what I do like.mikotondria3
- mikotondria30
if fining someone 1.9million dollars having no proof that they intended to commit the fraud they have accused her of, is not cruel and unusual punishment, I really don't know what is.
If I was her I would get a tshirt made saying 'I will not pay', and get as much press as possible..there is no way in the world she will ever be able to pay that, what fucking lunatic decided that was a reasonable verdict... what a bunch of fucking tools, this sets back the whole concept of finding a workable revenue model for artists and labels 10 years.- Isn't that like giving someone a sentence of 200 years or something? ha hajuhls
- mikotondria30
That utterly reprehensible - the amount she is being ordered to 'compensate' is several orders of magnitude above that which she could have been demonstrated to have defrauded the copyright holders by... They have no right to just up and take other monies of hers as if shes some kind of fucking child who's got caught with some candy and had it taken away. It is not the courts jobs to 'set examples' to as yet unknown and unnamed others - it is the courts job to seek recompense to injured parties through the process of law - not to seek to educate or inform anyone else through it's actions - its not fucking cspan, jeez. If you steal $100 from me - I only want 100 back. Noone esle has any right to take another 10000 from you.
What bullshit.- she stole 1700 songs and they chose to seek compensation for a representation of 24 of those songs,chossy
- the amount they have sought is allot less than is owed.chossy
- 1700 songs at 1 dollar each....thats...erm... yes - 1.6million dollars, right.mikotondria3
- depends on how many people downloaded from her innit, that bag of 24 may have been downloaded more than once matey.chossy
- then THEY owe the money. Not her.mikotondria3
- SHE gave them the tracks.chossy
- They're still responsible for themselves, chossy.juhls
- mikotondria30
That utterly reprehensible - the amount she is being ordered to 'compensate' is several orders of magnitude above that which she could have been demonstrated to have defrauded the copyright holders by... They have no right to just up and take other monies of hers as if shes some kind of fucking child who's got caught with some candy and had it taken away. It is not the courts jobs to 'set examples' to as yet unknown and unnamed others - it is the courts job to seek recompense to injured parties through the process of law - not to seek to educate or inform anyone else through it's actions - its not fucking cspan, jeez. If you steal $100 from me - I only want 100 back. Noone esle has any right to take another 10000 from you.
What bullshit.
- Corvo20
I guess it's exactly an example that they're trying to set: isn't it possible in US law for a case to be given a certain verdict based on a previous decision?
- Sugary0
some questions to think about: what if the music you steal was already stolen in the first place? Does 20,000 mp3 files = 20,000 cd's?
and i know a handful of local bands that would love if their music was downloaded by people across the world. I don't know if their record labels do though, so can the record label take someone to court for something the band doesn't mind?
- BattleAxe0
*opens up acquisition
- twokids0
what songs were they?
- fooler20
*force quits Transmission
- GeorgesII0
not enough, lets fine her $20.000.000.000!!!
LIDICULOUS!! this judge is LIDICULOUS,
repeat after me, LIDICULOUS
- bump790
BURN!
- Corvo20
@chossy.
I'm not defending illegal downloads, and I respect record companies. Obviously there's a lot of work and cost involved in producing a record and copyrights exist for a reason. I, for one, still buy records and books that interest me just because I. (I'm not a saint though, and I do have illegal stuff in my computer.)
I just think that this verdict opens a can of worms. As others have said, I'm not sure she's responsible for exponential loss or potential damage to record companies, because there's no law that tells you you can't keep an open directory in your site.
If you steal 1 book and put it on your doorstep are you guilty of how many times people xerox it?
- jfletcher0
sigh... some day the recording industry will get out of the dark ages and stop acting like a bunch of greedy douches... but I doubt that will happen soon.
- Go spend a year working on an album to just have people download it. See how that feels.CygnusZero4
- probably doesn't feel like anythingPupsipu
- chossy0
How would you like it if you made a really nice art and print it off for people to look at and buy after spending time money and talent in making it, then a couple weeks later you see someone rattling off perfectly good copies for free and giving it away?.
- exactly. well said.hans_glib
- you mean like urban outfitters does?flashbender
- better than re-selling...NONEIS
- i'd love itMilan
- i'd like it finePupsipu
- jfletcher0
chossy - I don't like the idea of stealing music, but it will happen, it's a known variable. There are two options. First, try and stick to old methods that are crumbling...people will find new ways to get around buying music and steal it. I doubt it can be stopped given the nature of the net. Second, figure out a way to adapt. I don't know the best way for this second method, but a few artists are trying new things (Radio head, Presidents of the USA, etc).
Trying to enforce laws by assessing ridiculous fines is beyond lame. They are making an example of one person, but it won't stop the masses... and is pretty much useless expect to make this one person’s life miserable.
thoughts?
- I actually still mostly buy CD's for the art :D, but they are a bit expensive :(jfletcher
- Corvo20
One thing I don't understand is - was she making money from it? If not, seems too harsh to sacrifice one person's life when there are thousands doing the same thing. I mean, she got caught, it's the law etc, but couldn't they cut her some slack? Just seems too heavy. Who never did this? Who hasn't a trunk in the attic full of old tapes, xerox/photocopies (yes, these too are a felony), etc?
- this said, I actually buy records when I want something.Corvo2