Protests in Tehran Iran
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- gung_hoek0
Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'étendard sanglant est levé
Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras.
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes!Aux armes citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons, marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons- 20 goto 10mikotondria3
- Le chant de guerre plus guerrier qui existe.
+1GeorgesII - a lanterne!nilsnihil
- TheBlueOne0
Interesting that it seems like it's not foreign governments per se that the protesters are appealing to for support, but rather the huge swath of internet civilians, so to speak...a global groundswell...very interesting times...the first true 21st century revolution perhaps?
- GeorgesII0
Maybe we will reach singularity sooner that we think.
- Can you elaborate? I'm curious about this idea of yours.Corvo2
- Why? Iran has Artificial Intelligent computers?TheBlueOne
- nope, just that we're moving slowly into integrating thoughts into machine at a higher rates than ever before es: http://www.spezify.c…GeorgesII
- http://www.spezify.c…
tomorrow if I remember i'll create a thread
this has nothing to do with iranGeorgesII - I've been saying thatrayborn3000
- Corvo20
TBO, on what grounds are you making that assumption? I'm assuming you mean the way they are using Twitter and Flickr. How would that change anything? It's not like mass-opinion can do anything, not to say that any country would do anything diplomatic effort based on twitter feeds.
- ukit0
I think it's the fact that this situation is being watched by the whole world. Ten years ago something like this could have happened and if the mainstream news didn't report it on the front page, no one would have known about it.
- TheBlueOne0
@Corvo2..well it just seems to me, in skimmnig the news that the world's governments officially, U.S. included, are all saying "This is an internal Iranian problem, and while we are gravely concerned at any irregularities and any human rights abuses, we have nothing to say about the legitimacy of the election." Meanwhile through the use of the internet and social media coming out of Iran, and in discussion about it around the world, pressure is being brought to bear by consensus of global opinion more than anything else...at least that's what I"m going with at the moment. Furthermore, I think any government (looking at U.S. and Western Europe primarily) is staying as far as possible away from trying to add some sort of international legitimacy to the protestors to keep the Iranian powers that be from calling "foul" because of international interference. Very interesting shit.
- Exactly. Diplomatically speaking, there is no indication the election wasn't fair.Corvo2
- And countries cannot act under media op. It's just not how things work and it would screw everything up if they did.Corvo2
- Still, it's very interesting as you say - but I'm not sure it will have any impact in real politics.Corvo2
- It may curb Iranian powers a bit, nonetheless. After all, they'll have to face it sooner or later.Corvo2
- TheBlueOne0
..and I for one am so glad that the U.S. under President McCain, under the urgings of his aid Karl Rove, and the public bluster of conservative spokespeople like Rush Limbaugh and William Kristol decided to take such a hardline with Iran and bomb them and show them who's boss, so that we could see such wonderful things like this today:
Oh wait....
- Sorry. Couldn't help it....TheBlueOne
- I never doubted Iran is a progressive country and so are its people. You just have to watch their films.Corvo2
- It's the birthplace of European culture - the Greeks incorporated most of their myths.Corvo2
- Even as late as 400 DC, the Alans (an Iranian tribe in good terms with the Visigoth) moved to Iberia.Corvo2
- They brought the horses. Still to this day there's a place named after them: Alenquer, which breeds the better horses.Corvo2
- "birthplace of european culture" might be taking it a bit far...ask the greeks about persia...TheBlueOne
- yeah, go ahead, ask me anything._niko
- Anyway, what have the Romans ever done for us?raf
- HAHAHAHAH... +1000000
brought peace? SHUT UP!exador1 - democracy??? Not with that shit kerning. And the red drop shadow.. dude... come on.iCanHazQBN
- ukit0
What is ironic is that the TV networks pretend to be all hip to the web and social media but then when a huge story of actual significance is being broken on the web they totally ignore it.
- Mirpour0
By order of the prophet We ban that boogie sound
best of luck to all Iranians wanting change
- Corvo20
As TBO said and ukit developed further, here's a very interesting phenomenon. Is it because it's just inconvenient data, raw data, not certifiable data, vox populi data - or data that pours down and goes against the traditional way of setting an agenda and absorbing information in most news agencies? Definitely, a thing to ponder upon.
- Nairn0
Twitter possibly represents the most insidious, illusory feint of democratic participation we've ever seen. God forbid we become reliant on this pap.
- TheBlueOne0
It would be just as easy in the 18th century to dismiss the development of the coffee houses, and their attendant petri dish of enlightenmeent thought, as some sort of "illusionary feint of democracy" that had little to do with "real politics" of the day. I'm pretty sure that would of been the consensus among those among the royal courts of the day. What is at the edges today, will be at the center tomorrow.
- coffee houses no more made the enlightenment than the cassette made Khomeini.nilsnihil
- I disagree.TheBlueOne
- Nairn0
I'm merely conceding the possibility is all. These things are so easy to control, utterly, from a technical point of view that we should not so quickly and blithely embrace them.
I've listened to so many people here applaud the decline of newspapers and traditional media in the face of citizen participation, and I can't help but feel that this stands in the face of all that's been achieved since the days of coffee house parlee and ..er.. 'organised intellectual investigation' (ie, what we now view as traditional media).
I'm not anti-Twitter (well, I am) and I see its use in reporting from the front line of an event, but it is no substitute for traditional forms.
I've just realised that this has got nothing to do with this thread, but I'm going to hit 'Broadcast live' anyway...
- I concur...TheBlueOne
- I can only wonder how.
*hicNairn - two glasses of wine after dinner?TheBlueOne
- 3 tins of cider on an undinnered empty stomach.Nairn
- raf0
They have had the nukes for some time and they were out of control. From US Government point of view, if this thing hadn't happened naturally, CIA would have to do it.
Oh, wait..- CIA has been spending a fair in propaganda both open source and black for a long time. Including pirate television etc,nilsnihil
- nilsnihil0
interesting the signs of many protesters are in english. Odd.
- TheBlueOne0
Um, you guys do realize that english is the de facto international language...or does that offend your sensibilities somehow?