Protests in Tehran Iran
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- ukit0
Isn't that sort of the same as the U.S., kicking out one of the major parties and replacing it with the other? How far back do you have to go to find the last PM who wasn't Tory or Labour?
I guess you gain something by having those UKIP and BNP MPs but if you look at US politics...people like that don't get shut out here...they just get absorbed into one of the two major parties for the most part.
- So functionally it's not all that different is what I'm sayingukit
- ..and disappear, like libertarians did? Those systems are made by and for the people who meet on the same golf courseraf
- The party is just a platform. Within the party you have people with all kinds of different views, although they might lean to the right or the leftukit
- will obviously lean right if they are Republican and left if Democrat...but you still have your Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich in thereukit
- Kucinich in there.ukit
- raf0
I just don't believe in democracy that much. Majority of people are sheeples (that's an euphemism for idiots). If anything, I'd rather have a system small local democracies, kind of like Switzerland is. Anything bigger is easier to steer and the people who steer out of supervision.
My Goebbelsian references weren't meant to drop a big nazi sign - the guy was among the people who mastered political propaganda. Just like Edward Bernays did.If you don't know who Edward Bernays was you're in for a fantastic pre-socialist BBC journey I envy you:
http://video.google.com/videopla…
- ukit0
Well here is the Iranian perspective on it
- Corvo20
As TBO said and ukit developed further, here's a very interesting phenomenon. Is it because it's just inconvenient data, raw data, not certifiable data, vox populi data - or data that pours down and goes against the traditional way of setting an agenda and absorbing information in most news agencies? Definitely, a thing to ponder upon.
- ukit0
In an uncompromising address at Friday prayers, Khamenei claimed that the high turnout at the elections showed how much the Iranian people supported the regime, and blamed western powers for interfering in Iranian politics, singling out the UK as the "most treacherous".
In a thinly veiled warning to the reformist presidential challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, Khamenei said opposition leaders would be held responsible if they did not call for an end to the protests that have rocked Iran since last Friday's disputed election.
"Street challenge is not acceptable," he said. "This is challenging democracy after the elections."
Speaking in front of an audience of tens of thousands, including President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Khamenei attacked foreign powers for conspiring to deligitimise the vote, and to destroy the Iranian people's trust in their political leaders. Khamenei's descripton of Britain as the "most treacherous" of Iran's enemies was met by roars of "Death to the UK" from the massed ranks of Basiji militiamen assembled in the prayer hall.
- CALLES0
Soccer Protest: Iran's Players Show Support for Mousavi
Soccer Protest: Iran's Players Show Support for Mousavi
By GLEN LEVY Wednesday, Jun. 17, 2009
Iran's Mohammed Ali Karimi, right, wears green wristbands in support of Iranian opposition leader Mir-Hossein Mousavi during a World Cup qualifying match in Seoul
Ahn Young-joon / AP
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The history of sport is littered with symbolic political gestures, but few have been as brave as the stand taken by some players on Iran's national soccer team on June 17. In a World Cup qualifying match in South Korea, at least eight Iranian players wore green wristbands in a defiant show of support for opposition leader Mir-Hossein Mousavi, including team captain Mohammed Ali Karimi.Related
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(See pictures of the election and its turbulent aftermath.)The match was broadcast live on Iranian state television with millions in the soccer-mad nation tuning in. Both the players and coaching staff surely knew that their protest would be big news in Iran, where social-networking services like Twitter have been used to spread the latest protest news.
(Read "Iran's Protests: Why Twitter Is the Medium of the Movement.")
The players took off the bands for the second half of the game. Some reports suggested that the Iranian Football Federation ordered their removal.Outside the stadium in Seoul, before the game kicked off, dozens of Iranian fans staged a mini-protest of their own, unfurling a banner that read "Go to Hell, Dictator" and chanting, "Compatriots, we will be with you to the end with the same heart." The banner was spotted again during the game, along with signs reading "Where Is My Vote?" (a slogan widely displayed on June 16 during street demonstrations in Tehran) and Iranian national flags with "Free Iran" written across them.
(See pictures of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.)It's unknown whether the game was watched by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But he is known to be a passionate soccer fan who closely follows the fortunes of Iran's national team. Indeed, at a press conference after he was declared the winner of last week's election, Ahmadinejad dismissed the protests in Iran's streets by comparing the demonstrators to soccer fans upset over a loss. "Some believed they would win, and then they got angry," he said. "It is like the passions after a football match."
The passions of Iranian fans couldn't have been helped much by the results of the game. It ended in a 1-1 draw, putting a serious dent in Iran's qualification hopes.
- _niko0
The US set a precedent. Now every tyrannical ruler can rig elections and give the world a big "FUCK YOU"
thanks Bushy.- please.zenmasterfoo
- Yeah, elections were never rigged before Bush...DrBombay
- I'm glad you needed our permissionukit
- Yeah but the US can't take the moral high ground like they used to._niko
- and they'll have a harder time forcing "democracy" down the throats of nations._niko
- The US never really could, that is all made up horse shit. They sponsored a coup in Iran decades ago.DrBombay
- and everywhere else, it's just that everyone can call bullshit on their foreign policy much easier now._niko
- They always could.DrBombay
- ok, great let's stand for theocratic demagoguery. Better yet facism. Great idea _niko.zenmasterfoo
- the word is "fascism" for fuck's sake. Don't use it if you can't spell it.DrBombay
- zenmaster it's about practicing what you preach._niko
- identity0
Iranian Soccer Players Banned FOR LIFE:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/…
- GeorgesII0
"Never believe anything until it's officially denied,"
- Claud Cockburnno shit!
- GeorgesII0
for TBO,
you should never wish for a revolution in a country of 70millions, because things can get out of hand really easily and end up in a major bloodbath,
btw, is the number of american flag burned the way you see if a country is pro or con US?
seriously, I'm having some problem siding with either parties right now because I tried to get some serious informations and could not understand on what platform they are both running, Moussavi is also against Israel so what will be the real change?the thing that scares me right now is that almadinejahd knows he has the entire world looking at him and he can either decide to go down on protesters the hard way or just let them vent until they get tired, either way it will go nowhere,
if, he decides to slam the shit out of them, then we have a problem, because the UN will decide if they need to intervene, proclam another empty resolution and try to curb the public opinion of UN countries to send troops.
I'm 100% sure the votes were rigged but I don't want another middle east country go up in flames, because when fraud happens in so called democracy the dissenters are shut down, forgotten and not a single msm outlet dares to comments. why should we do it for others then?
- almadinejahd can't decide anything. He's a puppet. The UN won't intervene.TheBlueOne
- ..and I have faith in this new young generation of Iranians. They represent a sea change in Iranian politics...TheBlueOne
- Corvo20
The way people do politics will change in 10-15 years, after a whole generation subdues. It's changing already. I'm afraid all the categories of speech which we now deem for granted will be useless in a few years.
- I'm afraid not. The world hasn't changed much in 2K years. The good wine and olive oil are still made the same way.raf
- I agree with Thoreau when he says people do not change, but things do. Slowly, they do.Corvo2
- he actually says "nothing changes, we do", but he perfected the pencil.Corvo2
- I still believe in those people's reason than.. many others' http://news.bbc.co.u…raf
- Well well - we need an Europe map where we can put some pins now.Corvo2
- Or pints, for that matter! Geez.. it's past dawn outside, I swear this is the last http://www.fourcorne… for me..raf
- aye raf . 4 am here. I'm just not making any sense any more. Good thing? it's raining after 30ºC all day.Corvo2
- Damned - I thought I had a case :PCorvo2
- ukit0
Listen to this guy. He knows.
- ukit0
^ If you are interested in what the actual difference between them is, you might find this interesting...
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2…
Ahmadinejad vs. Mousavi debate with English subtitles
- ukit0
- persian futurism,
very niceGeorgesII - red= communists
black=fascistsnilsnihil - Mohammad Reza Shah regularly inveighed against the potential tyranny of "the Red and the Black" with the "Red" signifying communists, and the "Black" signifying the clergy.nilsnihil
- Red and the Black" with the "Red" signifying communists, and the "Black" signifying the clergy.nilsnihil
- looks like ancient Google Maps to me.Point5
- looks paul kleecreez
- persian futurism,
- ukit0
Interesting report by Al Jazeera
- Nairn0
Twitter possibly represents the most insidious, illusory feint of democratic participation we've ever seen. God forbid we become reliant on this pap.
