Webdesign Guidelines
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- ximeraLabs0
From a lot of experience I know for a fact that the majority of print-only designers (and yes, I generalise) are just not versed in web/UI design. And they can't be, because they specialize in a different medium (and the same goes for the other way around).
But sadly I've been in many situations where a client (print and/or marketing based) will design a site at 300dpi in cmyk and insist on using non-standard fonts, text as images, wants DVD-like "interfaces" etc etc, resulting in major headaches fixing the design into a working model — instead of sitting down at the start and consult with web designers to see what is realistic. I think thats the point he's making (well I hope it is).
- Indeed it is :) ThanksLillebo
- I don't think his point ws like that AT ALL. He was trying to place himself as a Master of the Universe n above printdesignersVectorMasked
- He had this "print dudes... move aside... let the master work" attitude.VectorMasked
- kelpie0
yup, this guy's definitely a cock, but having read over his points if you can get past his tone and the over the top attack on print designers he is essentially right. He is talking about functional e com sites after all, not campaign stuff. I'd be interested to know how many folk here have been responsible for actually planning, designing and implementing big e commerce sites, proper sales vehicles (think amazon, argos, blah blah, the kind that do hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of business monthly and are hit thousands of times a day)
- I have for example, lots, but on the terms most regulars here judge "design" skills would fall way short of most.kelpie
- and I'm not a coder, never touch the stuff. I'll run you up a nice A0 site map though, if you want.kelpie
- I did some. And yes, e-com sites in term of design are one of biggest pain in the arse one can expect.Fariska
- VectorMasked0
to be a designer requires nothing??
That's Incredible. Ridiculous. You need an education to know the findamentals on structure, grids, typography, etc... or talent. In this professiona there is not a "SET" way of doing things... as opposed to being in a boring office job where everything is just basically a copy of a copy of a copy and repetition makes you "qualified" to do it. It doesn't happen with design.That's absurd. You are probably confusing designers with hacks... you know... the ones that use 10 photoshop filters on plus drop shadows and glows and think they are creative.
I personally know from HTML to CSS, to some javascript and even some cold fusion... and I work just fine with my coworkers to create good stuff.
I also see how designers with ZERO knowledge can still put a coherent design with or without programmers around.
- why are you so angry? do you think maybe you might not be who he's talking about? why are you so resistant to concepts of standard and convention online?kelpie
- ...standard and convention online? they are fundamentals of working in the medium, are you sure you're talking about the same sectors?kelpie
- ...same things?kelpie
- Angry? lols... I'm loling over here. It's a damn forum after all... The issue aside from looking down on print people...VectorMasked
- it this..."I feel this comment reflects the serious need to educate the print designers that are polluting the interwebs.."VectorMasked
- As if the self proclaimed and self educated web designers were any more qualified to talk about Usability.VectorMasked
- It all comes down to user-experience and being a part of the mediumEven a client has input since he's a userVectorMasked
- You labeled a good list of good guidelines as "useless", just because he had a tone..Lillebo
- Yes because he is generalizing. So Not all sites can have this or that because he set those rules in stone.VectorMasked
- Fariska0
I, for one, think that most of Nielsen comments are remarks are attention-worth.
- Lillebo0
@VectorMasked
Holy shit dude. Relax. I'm not out to twist your nipples. You said: "The term web designer is so loose." What I meant was that the term "designer" is just as loose, and that it doesn't require anything to call your self one... If you however want to be a successful and professional one, you need some serious skills and preferably some education on the subject.
- VectorMasked0
@Lillebo
Holy shit man. Chillax.
Quit saying holy shit as if this was a big deal.
It's a damn forum.- I would argue that you are the one with your nut sack in a twist over this thread.Lillebo
- kelpie0
FIGHT
- Fariska0
My bets on VectorMaksed.
- emecks0
hahaha.
cough cough cock.
hahaha.
- stem0
Just sounds like a rant by someone trying to justify their existence...
Yeah, there's some valid point's in there, but the tone is not that of someone who wants to help.
- Daithi0
Can't we all just get along?
Don't have print and web designers have a lot to offer each other on this subject? I'm from a print background and have made all of the mistakes that are listed in the blog and these posts. See: full flash websites, pop-ups, full screen browsers, flash intros and 'enter site' buttons. Now I bring my design skills – from a print background – to bear, while respecting the freedoms and limitations of the web as a medium. And I work with skilled technical folks to implement sites so that they are well made and serve the client's needs.
But more importantly, I have a massive deadline on Thursday, so I'm pissing about on an internet forum rather than deal with it. Arrghh!
PS
This is a useful link
http://www.slideshare.net/jeff_c…
- creative-0
Kind of agree with most of it, except for the print designers doing web comment.
- Not_Just_Another0
I have to say, I think an awful lot of what the article states is pretty much common sense. His tone isn't helping him though.
Being from a print background originally, I think you learn far more on general design rules/trends (typography, font choices etc) than you would do from doing web design initially. My argument for that is that there are far less restrictions on design when working in print - which ultimately make for prettier pieces of work.
That said, I started working more and more in web design and I could definitely see a big difference from a design point of view between those who say they are 'print' designers and those that say they are 'web' designers.
I think any GOOD designer will see what restrictions they are given (dependent on the medium) and push them, within reason, so that they can achieve the best result.
Unless a website is a personal project of the web designer, I firmly believe that they should put aside their aspirations of creating something fancy for fancy's-sake and ensure that the work/design is what is in the clients best interests.
Sorry for the rant.
- trooperbill0
hate yourself read useit.com
- Mishga0
4. If your website is ALL Flash, FIRE your web development company, and if you made it, add it to your portfolio under “Useless web projects I’ve done” and start over.
At the time he invent that rule, Group94 were unknown...maybe.
- studderine0
"Professional webmaster and wannabe over funded technology uber guru."
- studderine0
i was a webmaster once, when i was 16.