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- mg331
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WOW did the Republicans overplay their hand on this one.
Carter Page was under investigation long before the Steele Dossier became publicly known. As far back as 2013. The first FISA warrant was before the dossier was even known.
Peter Strozk news came out a few days ago that he was a key player in reopening the investigation into Clinton. That sort of shits all over your point there GOP that he is in the bag for Clinton.
David Corn reporting suggests that Steele should have been removed for undisclosed meetings with Yahoo. First off it was not a crime to collect data and go talk to the media about it. Even during the Fusion GPS testimony the guy said they do that all the time and it is up to the powers that be who are commissioning the work to do so. Since the DNC were the ones picking up the tab they can do whatever the fuck they want. They reported doing it for one company against another or a client in criminal case. Just because it is not the lawyers doing it doesn't make it illegal.
They curiously NEVER mention that the dossier was also funded as RNC opposition research in the beginning. Quite the major omission on that one you dishonest sacks of shit.
You are all acting as though nothing in the dossier is true because Steele went to Yahoo News. Chances are her was confident in what was there and BECAUSE of that--he want to Yahoo News.
What you are trying to make out as a weakness is far more likely and logically to be a strength.
Devin Nunes emphasizing that Carter Page was a volunteer is a pathetically misleading attempt to make him out to be just some average American citizen. That is a deliberate effort to make it not about Donald Trump and Russia when in reality that is exactly what it is.
FISA applications are notoriously hard to justify. So if they omitted any mention of the dossier and the application was STILL approved then obviously there was something else there--which they are conveniently leaving out.
The FISA memo mentions George Papadopolus. Hes already plead guilty to crimes. OBVIOUSLY the FISA warrant was justified because---he was GUILTY of a GOD DAMN CRIME.
- It actually looks more like a nothing burger... It's a boring read.robotron3k
- Wasn't Jeb Bush's superpac the ones who originally funded the dossier?BonSeff
- I think so. Funny how they left that out...mg33
- TBH, I can't imagine how this thing would jeopardise Mueller and his investigation. Lots of sensationalism in this memo with few to no facts to back it up.Continuity
- Nunes has got to be complicit in this.mg33
- A small-time operator like him? I can't even begin to imagine what he could bring to the table.Continuity
- He's a former farmer with an agriculture degree and an agriculture masters degree.mg33
- mg332
Statement from John McCain
“In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy. Russia employed the same tactics it has used to influence elections around the world, from France and Germany to Ukraine, Montenegro, and beyond. Putin’s regime launched cyberattacks and spread disinformation with the goal of sowing chaos and weakening faith in our institutions. And while we have no evidence that these efforts affected the outcome of our election, I fear they succeeded in fueling political discord and dividing us from one another.
“The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”
- was it aired on Foxnews?zaq
- Not sure. Apparently the memo itself was released to right-wing news before anyone else. So fair.mg33
- "After McCain's statement, he returned to the chamber to vote with Trump and the GOP on every goddamn thing."allthethings
- mg332
Article about the FISA warrant on Carter Page from April 2017
FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page
I thought this section was particularly good to know:
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The judges who rule on Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requests oversee the nation’s most sensitive national security cases, and their warrants are some of the most closely guarded secrets in the world of U.S. law enforcement and intelligence gathering. Any FISA application has to be approved at the highest levels of the Justice Department and the FBI.Applications for FISA warrants, Comey said, are often thicker than his wrists, and that thickness represents all the work Justice Department attorneys and FBI agents have to do to convince a judge that such surveillance is appropriate in an investigation.
The government’s application for the surveillance order targeting Page included a lengthy declaration that laid out investigators’ basis for believing that Page was an agent of the Russian government and knowingly engaged in clandestine intelligence activities on behalf of Moscow, officials said.
Among other things, the application cited contacts that he had with a Russian intelligence operative in New York City in 2013, officials said. Those contacts had earlier surfaced in a federal espionage case brought by the Justice Department against the intelligence operative and two other Russian agents. In addition, the application said Page had other contacts with Russian operatives that have not been publicly disclosed, officials said.
An application for electronic surveillance under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act need not show evidence of a crime. But the information obtained through the intercepts can be used to open a criminal investigation and may be used in a prosecution.
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- allthethings0
In case you were curious how they would try to spin this fiasco:
Tommy Vietor @TVietor08
It's disgusting that democrats forced @DevinNunes to #ReleaseTheMemo when they knew it would make him look bad. Talk about #rigged.
11:20 AM - 2 Feb 2018
- Sorry, was a joke. Oopsallthethings
- It was a prank bro!garbage
- BonSeff3
- a crummy commercial?GuyFawkes
- YOU'LLSHOOT
YOUREYEOUTKIDfooler - why isn't it called roundtine?renderedred
- Gnash5
I knew it!
- ha, reminds me of this:
http://www.qwghlm.co…fadein11 - But this later, now check out this crashzaq
- ha, reminds me of this:
- utopian3
- since deleted, but real. what a fucking asshole.BonSeff
- What's with the Klingon on the top-right?face_melter
- Not if she pays taxes on that $1.50 increase.bulletfactory
- The $1.50 is after the tax rape plan.monospaced
- allthethings0
Boycott the Republican Party
If conservatives want to save the GOP from itself, they need to vote mindlessly and mechanically against its nominees.
https://www.theatlantic.com/maga…
Excerpt:
We’re proposing something different. We’re suggesting that in today’s situation, people should vote a straight Democratic ticket even if they are not partisan, and despite their policy views. They should vote against Republicans in a spirit that is, if you will, prepartisan and prepolitical. Their attitude should be: The rule of law is a threshold value in American politics, and a party that endangers this value disqualifies itself, period. In other words, under certain peculiar and deeply regrettable circumstances, sophisticated, independent-minded voters need to act as if they were dumb-ass partisans.
- allthethings0
https://lawfareblog.com/i-hope-i…
'I Hope This Is an Instance of Fake News': FBI Messages Show the Bureau's Real Reaction to Trump Firing James Comey
- allthethings3
Trump takes credit for lowering black unemployment, unemployment spikes the next day. Trump takes credit for stock market gains, Dow drops 10 percent. #WINNING
- robotron3k0
Israel has started handing out notices to 20,000 male African migrants giving them two months to leave the country or risk being thrown in jail.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government is offering the migrants, most of whom are from Sudan and Eritrea, $3,500 and a plane ticket to what it says is a safe destination in another country in sub-Saharan Africa.
The fate of some 37,000 Africans in Israel is posing a moral dilemma for a state founded as haven for Jews from persecution and a national home. The right-wing government is under pressure from its nationalist voter base to expel the migrants, while others are calling for them to be taken in.
- robotron3k-1
The Alt-Right Has a New Hero and it’s Black Panther
King T’Challa, or Black Panther, is one of the few well-received black superhero characters cranked out by Marvel Comics, others including the likes of Luke Cage & Nick Fury (who underwent a dramatic racial shift from white to black). Ruth E. Carter, the African-American costume designer for the 2018 Black Panther film, even specified that her involvement and understanding of the Black Lives Matter movement has dramatically influenced her approach to the movie. What many conservatives will quickly realize upon a closer inspection of Wakandan culture is that the character of T’Challa resembles the socio-political worldview of the alt-right.
- such bullshitmonospaced
- So you admit your side is racist and anti democracy?yuekit
- DV ROBO
IS NOW
ILLEGALGuyFawkes - There were two Nick Fury's. The black guy is from the Ultimates and the original is from Earth 616. There was no 'shift' - they existed side by side...face_melter
- ... until 616 Fury was transformed into the Unseen by The Watchers and the Ultimates universe was folded into 616, leaving black Nick Fury.face_melter
- If you're going to post some of your boneheaded shite, at least come correct.face_melter
- #MWGA Minnesota Women's Golf Association is a non-partition outdoor enthusiast organization. Does EVERYTHING need to be apart of your sick politics robo!?!plash
- also, wow, your position is with white nationalist/ nazis .. that's... interestingplash
- utopian1
Here is what the GOP tax cuts will delivery for corporate America this year, thank you Paul Ryan!
- utopian1
Yup. Sean Hannity Found A Way To Blame Obama For The Stock Market Drop
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/e…
#ThanksObama
- When stock prices were rising, Trump claimed ownership of the stock market. That means he owns the wipeouts as well, fucker.kona
- monoboy3
Late capitalism doing its thing.
Obamas investments have resulted in lots of growth in the jobs market which in-turn has increased wages.
The federal banks now see this as an opportunity to increase interests rates and put a stop to cheap money.
The only problem being, all private banks are sitting on trillions of debt so they might be squeezed to the point of failure.
Investors (rich people) shit themselves and start selling off on a ridiculously over inflated stock market prices. Despite being given one of the biggest tax windfalls in recent history.
And big business are already sitting on tons of cash reserves.
Meanwhile, lolgop are jostling for an out and a blame despite taking credit for the jobs and wage growth.
They are truly stupid corporate shills and a danger to world order.
- If this gets a lot worse. (Pray it doesn't). Beijing might be tempted to dump US bonds and cause a run on the dollar.monoboy
- Which would be ironic, seeing as a lot of capitalists in the UK keep pointing at Venezuela as proof socialism doesn't work. (Which it doesn't in this case).monoboy
- ...only to have our assesses handed to us by China. A Communist regime.monoboy
- Fuck knows what's going on now.monoboy
- (and all the while, Trump's tax plans are adding Trillions to your national debt).monoboy
- I read an article that suggest trump is indeed a genius, and he's provoking catastrophe (disaster capitalism) to re-set the world. God knows.monoboy
- https://i.guim.co.uk…monoboy
- ^ Graph in this article...
https://www.theguard…monoboy - Socialism works. Right....Salarrue
- If you look at the kind of Social Democracy that's happening in Europe, then yes it is.monoboy
- The kind of socialism most refer to is the kind offered by Venezuela. Which doesn't work. Mainly down to the way the media is controlled by vested interests.monoboy
- They don't want the brand of social democracy offered by Germany, Norway, Sweden the Netherlands and the UK.monoboy
- These extreme and ignorant left and right views are going to cause huge problems.monoboy
- totally agree mono. Social democracy is the only way forward currently. Venezuela was not that in the slightest. Funny thing is most would agree if the wordsfadein11
- were changed. Decades of programming has brainwashed the common sense out of most folk.fadein11
- only thing I do disagree with is UK as an example, currently at least.fadein11
- I I understand your logic Social democracy works because the countries you mentions have a capitalist and stable economy and industry.Salarrue
- In Canada that doesn't work. We have monopolies, a free health care but you need to hait minimum 13 hours to get checked in the hospital...Salarrue
- *wait 13 hoursSalarrue
- I agree that the citizens should have more control on the politics, laws, economy, but it is not realistic to expect the government will be good and fair.Salarrue
- eh? so you wrote 4 comments agreeing with me. Just write one that says agreed in future and get back to making some money :)fadein11
- @salarrue - it's a democracy not a dictatorship, if they are not "good and fair" then they are removed by the democratic process.fadein11
- I am not against you, my point is that a social democracy needs a capitalist economy to get funded. To say that only a social democracy will work by itself...Salarrue
- it is not realisticSalarrue
- eh? are you talking about pure socialism because I am not and nor is monoboyfadein11
- "Social market economy, is a socioeconomic model combining a free market capitalist economic system alongside social policies which establish both fairfadein11
- competition within the market and a welfare state."fadein11
- Good luck with that. Companies will always get an advantage bribing the lawmakers... But I get your point. It is the ideal scenarioSalarrue
- It's the only realistic option currently that kind of works elsewhere, stress kind of as opposed to the extreme alternatives i.e. US and Venezuela (althoughfadein11
- this is never a good example of socialism for various reasons).fadein11
- I think we're all on the same page, but this fear of the word socialism as if it's either un-american or dangerous needs to stop.monoboy
- No system of government is perfect but this plutocratic system has had it's day.monoboy
- indeedfadein11
