Obama's speech
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- Cenitgrade0
Please America.
- locustsloth0
i would like to see government move toward a more localized scheme. Each community having more of a say in how they are shaped, what they want things to be like. Having the burden of funding and law making be more squarely on the shoulders of those who it would effect directly, and leaving only the things that local communities couldn't handle, or things that need to be enacted on a sate or federal scale, to the state and federal govt
- Wow, that's a whole lotta BS for so early in the afternoonlocustsloth
- i may be wrong, but I believe Ron Paul had ideas like this.?.sintaxera
- and it makes alot of sensesintaxera
- It's not really an "idea". It's written down in this thing we like to call the Constitution.moural
- Lt_Jack_Hammer0
^ Going to have minimal effect on our lives? Yikes.
- sintaxera0
i wouldnt include Iraq, banking crisis, housing crisis & a shitty economy on my list of things that have minimal affects on my life
- moural0
I still don't understand why people get so worked up over voting for a President. Do you guys get this crazy when there's an election for your city council, mayor, or governor?
I just don't get all of the excitement over someone that's going to have a minimal effect on your life.
- sintaxera0
Moonbeam, I htink people get so defensive about Obama because the Dems are so used to everyhting going to shit because of non-issues playing a big role in elections and obvious smear tactics actually working. When Dems see the possibility of a candidate that actually looks like he ca bring some much needed change to the US, the last thing they want is for it to be ruined by cheap ploys and name calling by the Repubs.
- Lt_Jack_Hammer0
I also think the 2 party system sucks.
- < in that, it should be more.Lt_Jack_Hammer
- that depends. Big countries cannot have too many parties. They would simply stall.Witt
- I can not agree with this enough. 5 would be good. 12 would be betterflashbender
- 5? why 5? you need a center and 2 sets of radicals?Witt
- common 5 is what we have here. That means some balance indeed but it also means excessive paperwork.Witt
- I love paperworkflashbender
- jjoeth60
I want to watch the speech again and whack off, it was that good.
- Witt0
Not trying to subvert the topic of this thread, but Clinton made a statement 2 days ago that's already a classic in PT's liberal blogosphere:
"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power."
- capsize0
what would sureshot blog?
- flashbender0
hahahahaha. This is precisely why I despise political parties:
"I'm simplifying my message for you Republicans since that is a classic tactic of yours."
Becasue I disagree with your narrow minded view I simply can not be a devoted Democrat in your mind. And you don't see anything wrong with that.
Also, I never said that I think the tactics the GOP uses are acceptable, I said it was disappointing that you would use the same tactics. That you propose change, yet use the same old, tired means to attempt to bring about this change.
But it is fabulous that you think me a Republican simply because I disagree with your person view that you put forth as "Truth"
- well saidsputnik2
- I'm not a Democrat dude.Lt_Jack_Hammer
- and I'm not a Republican. My point is the dems have painted the GOP as the "evil" party and it is counterproductive for >>flashbender
- them to use the same tactics to make their point.flashbender
- locustsloth0
So to make us realize how bad Republicans are, you're acting like one while advocating the Democratic ticket with your words?
- Oh, and calling names (sorry, forgot that)locustsloth
- < precisely.flashbender
- Lt_Jack_Hammer0
Clearly, for those too stupid to understand my message, I'm being over dramatic and simplifying (making a very complex thing very black and white) because it's a common tactic used by Republicans. It's funny how upset they (being Republicans) get when one of their own tactics is being used against them. The world is a very complex place...lot's of in's and out's and TONS of gray area...it sucks to have something so complex and personal be chopped down to a simple yes and no or black and white...doesn't it?
- sputnik20
wow jack_hammer, you have to make things "clear and simple for the morons of this country"? there have been two parties for over 200 years for a reason...they are ideologically different. just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't make them a retard. you're entitled to your perspective and i don't see how calling you names would make for intelligent discourse. it would be nice if you could refrain from calling others names too.
- Elect Harold Stassen!
capsize - wow, sputnik, you're a baby...seriously, calling you a retard hurt you? grow up.Lt_Jack_Hammer
- ok, so there is no intelligent discourse with you. thanks for clarifying.sputnik2
- Elect Harold Stassen!
- Lt_Jack_Hammer0
flashbender... so when the Republican's use that tactic as a means to separate and divide people it's totally fine....but, when Democrats use that very same tactic it's all of a sudden bad and people get all worked up about how wrong it is. Problem is, Dem's have been too passive for too long. I'm pissed that this country (and the world) is as effed as it is...enough is enough...so, yeah, it's time for a little taste of their own medicine...time to take a stand and stop being spineless babies.
- madirish0
"You cannot look at this stuff and intelligently think that he's going to be the change this country needs...it's impossible..."
I like you Jack. Honestly, I really do. That comment though, can be applied across the board to ANY presidential candidate for the last 40 years.
- Lt_Jack_Hammer0
If you knew McCain and how he's voted....his actual public record (which is a fact...zero Dem or Repub spin..just facts)....then you could clearly see he's not about the things that are going to benefit middle class families, their kids (education), the environment, etc. So, yes, if you can look at his voting record and still support him then you 100% do not care about you're families future or this countries future....you're either uninformed or only out for money and yourself. You cannot look at this stuff and intelligently think that he's going to be the change this country needs...it's impossible...unless you're an uninformed moron or out for yourself.
- It must be nice to see the world where there is no grey area - just black and white.flashbender
- I'm simplifying my message for you Republicans since that is a classic tactic of yours.Lt_Jack_Hammer