NFL 2007
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- kingjulien0
"So since Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer did it then it's fine? Therefore everyone cheats?"
A. The Johnson/Switzer reference was used to demonstrate that coaches, all coaches, do this to some degree. They have a little more wisdom in this area than you or I, given their credentials. Therefore, I tend to believe two hall-of-fame coaches with direct knowledge of these things than a fan, regardless of how passionate or intelligent you are.
B. What Bill Belichick did was ignore a league mandate, one that the commissioner had just warned every organization about in the preseason. He is guilty of that, and was justly punished.
What I disagree with you about, which is fine, is that videotaping a coaches' signals is somehow cheating.
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I agree to a certain extent...however please explain how placing a guy behind the opposing teams bench and video taping their signals is 'intellectual.' That's about as 'intellectual' as using steroids so you can hit the long ball.
tommyo
(Sep 17 07, 15:24)The intellectual part was not the videotaping, per se, but the devising of strategy after the fact, whether it be at half time or the next time the two squads play. Trying to figure out what a team is going to run, and coming up with a scheme that will stop the opponent.
When a quarterback calls out an audible, the defense, if they have watched enough game tape, will have a scheme to match the sudden switch in formation. A quarterback calls out Blue-45, a linebacker recognizes that play, and attempts to counter it. Players move around and what happens, happens.
All of these are hunches and educated guesses. If the Jets were aware that the Patriots did this (and Eric Mangini complained about the Patriots to the league last year - ironic that he used to be Belichick's defensive coordinator, and thus participated in the same thing he's now whining about), they would have used all this to their advantage by switching their signals and tricking the Patriots.
That's what I meant by "intellectual" - using the mind to out-think your opponent.
You comparing that to taking steroids is apples to oranges, in my opinion. And I'm not trying to attack you, Tommy, as I like you, but you have to realize that by making this argument, you're essentially suggesting that there should be an asterisk next to the Chargers 14-2 record last year, since their best defensive player used steroids(and was suspended), and one of their offensive lineman (Castillo?) also got busted just prior to his rookie year.
I personally don't believe this - the Chargers were good because they were an excellent team - but you can't express moral outrage at one and not the other.
- tommyo0
Sorry, I'm really busy right now so I can't really respond to the whole post. I see your points and I don't condone Merrimans use of an illegal substance either. Merriman paid his penalty and people still bring that incident up and I wish nothing more than that to happen to Belichick.
As far as intellectually gaining foresight into your opposition I'm all for it! If you tip your hand then the opponent should have every right to capitalize on that. Personally, and I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me, I just think that sneaking a guy behind the opponents bench to tape, is crossing the lines.
I knew what you meant by the pursuit of 'intellectually' gaining information about your opponents next move...I just think this was too far. If you came over to my house for dinner and I really wanted to see your wifes tits then I have a couple options - I can wait and hope one pops out when I ask her to pass the salt or I can hide a camera in the bathroom. Both might get me closer to my goal but one is definitely bordering on 'shady-as-all-fuck.'
The worst thing to be labeled in professional sports is a cheat and the league already drew the line in between the counties of Cheatsville and Competitive County. Belichick had a vacation home in Cheatsville, so he has to pay the taxes.
Oh and KJ, I like you and value your opinion as well. You're one of the good ones. :)
- kingjulien0
I think we're more in agreement than we initially thought. Either way I appreciate the interesting debate.
Cheers, Tommy.
p.s. My girlfriend's tits generally pop out by the second glass of wine...)
- tommyo0
You two free for dinner next week?
;)
haha Cheers man!
- ronaldo0
Charles Barkley on MNF??
good lawd... that lasted about 6 minutes, had to put it on mute
hopefully it's a one time thing
- slinky0
2-0 Redskins!
- smrz0
I'm here to say congrats to the Redskins -
you suck just a little less than the Eagles.
woohoo.
signed,
Disappointed Eagles Fan
(a.k.a. Excited Phillies Fan)
- PonyBoy0
Billy B... *sniff... why'd you do it?... why?... whhHHHYY???!!
btw... regardless... N.E. OWNS.
:D
Brady & Moss...
Brady & Watson...
Brady & Maroney...... and do I even need to bring up their defense? :D
- Point50
get these idiots from Heroes out of my Sunday Night Football.
- morilla0
AHHHHHHHH! Yes the streak is broken and Dante is now the man!
- blaw0
good day for football.
i'm generally happy when the bengals/browns/ravens lose.
almost a sweep (f'n ravens).
- blaw0
a friend of mine is a big patriots fan (hometown: boston).
our conversation over bbq this past summer, summarized:
me: "so, as historically bad of a teammate as randy moss has been, with new england everything will change. there, he'll actually be a hard-working, productive player."
friend: "that's what i'm saying."
me: "yeah, okay. we'll see."
. . .
so, yeah, i guess my friend was right, huh? the guy looks great.
- abba_cadaver0
Chargers need to get their shit together.
Maybe they need to play this before kickoff
http://chargers.com/assets/002/1…:)
- ethered0
Dolphins are 0-3 but they could have easily been 2-1. Only Dallas overmatched them.
Stats-wise the offense is doing well, but turnovers have the points down. Furthermore, the defense has not been as dominant as in the Johnson era.
Ronnie Brown had a breakout game in week 3. Lets see if he is capable of maintaining this high level.
Green and Chambers have been solid on offense.
The defense was missing all-pro linebacker Zach Thomas who suffered a concussion last week.
- morilla0
the Bolts will most likely go 9-6, watch.
- Point50
poor Bears...
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
LOL!! BBQSPLOZIONSPWNT~! ;D
- k0na_an0k0
FUCK!
don't even get me started point5. stupid fukn bears cost me 290 bucks losing last night.
we got 30 guys in a yahoo pool who all pitch in 10 bucks a week, winner take all. all i needed was a win from the bears... FUCK!
i said to myself when i was making my picks that i was going to regret picking the bears. last friggin time i bet with my heart, not with my money.
- blaw0
kona, you bet on the bears?
*snicker.snort.
- blaw0
kurl warner was acting like it was the year 2000 yesterday.
- ethered0
I got $$$ on Dolphins going 8-8.