NFL 2007
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- morilla0
it totally was, and he paid the price.
- mattyd040
if taking roids and stealing signals all go under the umbrella of 'cheating', then i say we should ban every offensive lineman the gets called for holding 4 games for using an unfair competitve edge.
lameness.
and the pats still steam-rolled the chargers. that was fun to watch. tomlinson almost cried in the post-game press conference. serves 'em right.
- abba_cadaver0
How does it serve em right?
- TheBlueOne0
Coaches have been stealing signs for years. It's part of the game. This Patriots story is silly:
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kingjulien
(Sep 14 07, 10:05)It's called being punished cause you got stupid and got caught...
- tommyo0
Every coach/team does not cheat. That's a moronic argument. Even if they did, they shouldn't, and that's something we should all be able to agree upon. Unless we don't mind watching American Football games turning into the flop fest embarrassment of Euro Football. The league is still reviewing other infractions the Pats might have been guilty of.
It's sad that someone with such a good team thinks they need a competitive edge. I could almost understand it if it was the Dolphins or the Cardnials...but it's the Patriots!! Insane.
And they really did hand it to the Chargers last night. I'm a big Bolts fan and that game made me ill. It was like watching one of those father daughter dances where the daughter is 6 and the father can twirl her at any time, dip her, pick her up and throw her through a plate glass window...we were completely manhandled.
- flavorful0
I am donking this year off so bad gambling it is almost unbelievable.
- fortified0
How could the seahawks do this to me? Lose to the gawd damn cardinals? ugh I give up.
- blaw0
everyone's new-girl-in-school pick this year is san francisco, myself included. but we'll see how they fair against pittsburgh next week.
i'm guess the 49ers get loss number one. those were two sloppy wins they've put together so far.
- blaw0
btw, i really like the pats, but belichick is turning out to be some kind of asshole. can't even stand up at a press conference and close the box on this stuff? leaves it up to his players to get peppered with questions about his coaching tactics?
- kingjulien0
Coaches have been stealing signs for years. It's part of the game. This Patriots story is silly:
sportsillustrated.cn n....
kingjulien
(Sep 14 07, 10:05)It's called being punished cause you got stupid and got caught...
TheBlueOne
(Sep 17 07, 12:22I have no problem with the NFL punishing the Patriots. What I think is absurd are those who say that the 3 championships the Pats won are somehow tainted. It's petty jealousy, and yesterday's spanking of the Chargers (also a good squad, albeit one that is adjusting to a new coach) confirms the obvious: New England is an excellent team.
- k0na_an0k0
king.
isn't that the same thing as saying all of barry bond's home runs he hit are somehow tainted?
same thing bud.
- morilla0
Pats are tainted now ,no way around it.
- k0na_an0k0
how about we put in the history books an asterisk next to the pats' wins for each of their superbowls.
- morilla0
there might be more to come on their punishment. Looks like the league is asking for all their camera footage.
- k0na_an0k0
they are probably selling the secrets to terrorist networks all over the world.
fuckn patriots my ASS!
- kingjulien0
Every coach/team does not cheat. That's a moronic argument. Even if they did, they shouldn't, and that's something we should all be able to agree upon.
tommyo
(Sep 17 07, 12:26)Did you watch Fox's pregame report yesterday? Both Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, Hall-of-Fame coaches who have won championships on both the collegiate and professional levels, stated emphatically that trying to decipher the other team's play calling has been going on forever. Both admitted to doing it. Both denied it was cheating, just getting a competitive edge.
Jimmy Johnson went on to state that while coaching Dallas, he had interns comb through the opposing locker rooms' garbage cans - after each game - for game plans, photographs, and anything else that would provide insight into the other team's strategies.
Scouts attend games, take photographs of plays from the stands or the booths, and watch the sidelines for patterns that reveal play-calling.
In baseball, runners on second base try to read the catcher's signs. That's why they change the signs mid-game.
Taking performance-enhancing drugs, altering your equipment to gain a competitive edge, using corked bats or vaseline or spit to doctor a baseball, that is cheating.
Trying to figure out the opposing team's offensive/defensive schemes is part of the intellectual side of sports, and has been going on since the dawn of the game.
- kingjulien0
king.
isn't that the same thing as saying all of barry bond's home runs he hit are somehow tainted?
same thing bud.
k0na_an0k
(Sep 17 07, 14:01)I don't think all of Barry's home runs are tainted. Prior to his use of anything, he was the best player in the game.
He did go on a ridiculous run later in his career, during a stretch when most players deteriorate, and his body went through profound changes, so that should at least be part of the discussion.
- blaw0
completely agree with kingj x2.
- tommyo0
So since Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer did it then it's fine? Therefore everyone cheats? Watching the coordinator from across the field is one thing, video taping him from behind is another thing completely.
Putting this into context with one of the examples you gave: A runner on second base stealing the the catchers signs would be like watching the opposing coordinator from across the field, your side of the field. Video taping from behind the opposing teams bench is like bugging the dugout. In baseball of course this wouldn't make much sense since it's not a sport of team planning as much as a sport of individual circumstance.
Throwing away game plans in the trash, revealing your signals from across the field all involve sloppiness of the team and maybe their secrets aren't being guarded enough. The Jets didn't do anything stupid that got their play calling stolen. When the league proposed allowing one defense captain be mic'ed up so that the coordinator could call plays via headset...guess who was one of ten teams to vote against it. Billy Belicheat and the Pats.
'Trying to figure out the opposing team's offensive/defensive schemes is part of the intellectual side of sports, and has been going on since the dawn of the game.'
I agree to a certain extent...however please explain how placing a guy behind the opposing teams bench and video taping their signals is 'intellectual.' That's about as 'intellectual' as using steroids so you can hit the long ball.
- blaw0
don't take this as a direct poke, tommyo, because it's not.
i get where you are coming from, but football's a tough guy sport and all this crying 'he cheated!' reeks of talcum-scented panties.
i think everyone should dry their eyes, change their signals and play football.