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- canuck0
i'm movining to India. I figure I could live like a king over there for $8.25 an hour. Or whatever they get paid.
- ********0
Yep, it's competition, deal with it. I mean if they can make a decent living with that kind on money why charge more? Just 'cause some people in other countries charge less or more doesn't mean that their work is better or worse. You have to charge accordingly to your needs which are influenced by what part of the world you live in.
- kerus0
you're saying that like your price depends upon your location. we're talking a global location though.
it doesnt matter where you are located, $8.25 becomes the going rate whether that buys you an order of crab rangoon or groceries for a month.
- ********0
global location? if you mean the internet where the services is being offered, yes, but at the end, the people earning that $8.50 live in a specific location where that wage may give them a decent living.
In my case, i lived in Chicago where I had to make at least $2000 USD a month just to survive, now I live in mexico where my cost of living is a lot lower, so my rates can go lower, i try to always charge according to my US rates but if needed I can go down just to get a certain project, why? 'cause i can afford to, simple as that.
Anyhow, I don't think stock design or overseas outsourcing is gonna affect us much, there's always clients who want a personalized job and are willing to pay for it.
- kerus0
so charge 8.25/hr. for a few months and let us know how it goes
- ********0
I don't charge an hourly rate. But I'd make a really good living with 15 hundred USD a month. Thats 1500 divided by 20 average working days (just weekdays) a month = 75 USD per day. 75 divided by 8 hours of work will give us $9.38 per hour. So i'm a little over the $8.25, but I could go that low since i work some weekends too :)
- myobie0
i worked on a project where i worked with one programmer in china, another in the Ukraine. (this was chosen for me, not my idea)
the guy in Ukraine quit working (without notice) but i became good friends with the guy in china
he wrote quality code and always followed directions...he was a phd student looking for additional income (worked 20 or so hours a week at 22 $'s an hour)
i made sure to build a relationship, not "get cheap programming services"...it allowed me to partner with people that just happen to be in a different location
i would probly not choose this type of arrangement, but it wasn't hard to do...he programmed when i was asleep and i when he was asleep...
so, my point is: it can work out good
there are people everywhere who can do the work
i hate it more when they hire "Jimmy the nephew" to do work
heck, i don't want those clients anywayz...half my recent projects have been helping people fix the crap that others left behind...sucks
this is too long and i need sleep
- jonnyquest0
My company started outsourcing things like photoshoping masks for fashion and catalog work years ago... I also posted a thread about it here a year ago that the same company had a long term plan that eventually they'd start thrying to outsource design and production work and everybody ripped my head off as if it couldn't be done... The cultural gaps were too wide.
Here's what I've discovered...As long as a company has deep enough pockets they'll keep pushing till it works or they find a niche or if it brings in profits.
Currently my company is trying to train their indian staff to do retouch and color work and layout and ad production...
What i have found after several years of this is anything requiring abstract thought or if something wasn't explained from steps a through z they have a brain freeze... think automatons... you have to have a very specific workflow and they refuse to deviate from it... Only in America can you make it more difficult to get rid of the work than doing the actual work yourself...
Then if they do the work incorrectly you have to take that project offline... do it yourself prepare a packet explaining what you did upload it so they can then analyze and evaluate your work for "future reference"... I've even overheard assholes in management saying "ideallyy anything done on a mac here can go over there"
- ********0
You are going to be the first one on the curb Jox. I just feel the Karma coming.
I dont mind anybody getting work.. but undercutting by that much is almost a sin. The Client side will get fatter... drive inflation up more.. and the service worker will have to cut their wages... and live in a more inflated economy due to this type of crap.
- ********0
PS. Paying a good wage to your employers helps the WHOLE ecomony become better. When you start outsourcing... ONLY TO GET THE CEO and Shareholders of the company more money... you create bigger and bigger class differences. The rich get richer the poor get poorer. This is a BAD thing for the economy. More money leaves, the consumers spend less because they have less.. and the fat cows sit up high and chew cud.
Does this sound familiar Braizlians?
- rafalski0
You are able to hire Eastern European people for something close to that money, and there's quite a lot of skilled folks out there. Somehow they haven't managed to spoil the EU market. They usually prefer to go to London directly to earn real money and experience. Or to Dublin, for that matter..
- tkmeister0
i guess i could outsource my freelance work to india and let those guys work while i sit back and charge the same money to my clients...
- joyride0
My experience with my team in India is the same as jonnyquests. Don't expect them to think the way you do. Explain each step exactly how you want it done. If you leave it up to them, 99% of the time will be a bit off. I tried for over a year to encourage and support individual effort and thought but, in the end I gave up because I really didn't see any progress. Our experience has came to this conclusion, we spent more time on project management, functional specs, tech specs, but save money on actual dev time. We could pretty much have them redo the project 5 times for what it would cost to do it state side. The only factor to watch out for is time. if you can afford the time to test and debug/tweak then it can be good. but tight deadlines, I don't recommend unless you've got a lot of experience with the team and how it's going to go.
BTW... their prices are a little on the high side
- joyride0
haha tk, there was a guy that did that. He was working at home, outsourced his work, found another job and outsourced that one too. All he did was go to meetings and project manage... perfect!
- tank0
u dont to go to india to find that.
look at my 'competition' in antwerp
- tkmeister0
joyride,
i think the dude you are talking about was a programmer?
- joyride0
yeah I think so too. read about it somewhere.