Robot Rights
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- Kuz0
pssst, flagellum, i can't change my instincts - they are, in definitioin, instincts. You should stop using that word and only allow a materialist god like me to use it :)
- flagellum0
Black holes are scary.
You said: "programmed" into us. Indeed.
We stand apart from the rest of the animal kingdom as we DO in fact ponder our purpose and the consequences of our decisions. We recognize a first person perspective and that propositions exist regardless of whether or not we do.
- Kuz0
ah fuck off, i gotta do some work. Enough of this.
lates
- flagellum0
charming as always.
- CyBrain0
Some of the best Trek ever:
http://www.startrek.com/startrek…
- flagellum0
While we are at it, we should push for vegetable rights.
- flagellum0
...the kind you eat, of course.
- mpfree0
...the kind you eat, of course.
flagellum
(Dec 20 06, 07:24)haha
- Nairn0
I thought you lot already did with Terri Schiavo, flagellum?
- Peter0
*punches Asimo in the face*
- Nairn0
_salisae_, who said anything about kona? You're alluding to my laughing when you misinterpreted Para, right? Let it go!
it's just, i know from previous experience that there is little of value to be had from arguing with flagellum. Regardless of anyone's capacity to understand the absolutes and minutiae of these arguments - ultimately, it boils down to belief.
the reason I bother at all is because flagellum's constant framing of his belief system in pseudo-scientific terms irritates the living hell out of me - i should be smart and put him on ignore, but i don't - in the vain hope that one day, he might have something to offer NT beyond a bout of religious attrition (i say this appreciating how little i offer to NT).
Incidentally, you'll notice, i hope, that all i do is question flagellum's absolutism - i'm not claiming to be 'right' - i just think that assuming humanity is in receipt of all the answers, and is therefore in a position to ultimately deduce the form of the universe, is futile and ignorant. we're simple creatures - we've got a lot to learn.
I'm sorry we appear to have got off on the wrong foot - i respect your character and wit, but fuck it - do as you wish.
Ewen, a particularily simple creature.
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- Nairn0
(a particularly simple creature who always spells particularly incorrectly)
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- Crouwel0
50 years ago they said what about now?
- Mimio0
Flagellum there's plenty of naturalistic explainations of consciouness. Look into the work Owen Flanagan. You have the tendency to inject philosophy in the absense of hard science, which there isn't much of any yet. Neurology and the cognitive sciences are just devloping these fields of study, so there's not a lot of concensus either way.
- Crouwel0
50 years ago they said WHAT? about now, meaning 2000?
- flagellum0
Nairn: The problem is that I rarely appeal to any religious authority in my arguments. Almost never. Rather, I use logic and data which is available to everyone. Your labeling of it as "pseudo-scientific terms" doesn't change this fact. The burden lies with you to demonstrate where I have appealed to religious authority. Go ahead.
Another mistake you make is to equate skepticism of the reigning paradigms and arguing for unpopular viewpoints as "absolutism". The thinking people here aren't going to buy your pap, I'm afraid.
Are we creatures? Yes. Do we have a lot to learn? Of course. Does this mean we shouldn't debate the evidence we have? Of course not. You just don't like position I take.
- flagellum0
Mimio: There are what we call "Just-So Stories" about the origins of consciousness. Neuroscience has demonstrated that parts of the brain react to certain stimuli and this is essentially it. I'm waiting to see how blind, non-telic, material mechanisms produced consciousness. I'm not holding my breath.
- TheBlueOne0
"the mind cannot be reduced to molecules bumping into each other. "
flagellum
(Dec 20 06, 05:43)In my book that's called a "false premise". What evidence do you have of this other then your own personal belief in that Bible book?
- flagellum0
blueOne:
1. The pragmatic reality of Free Will. It's defiance of determinism.
2. Information is immaterial. Your hardrive will weigh no more after you deposit 200 gigs of data on it.
3. Propositions and first-person perspective.
In my book, this is what's called a logical inference from the data.