Robot Rights
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- dbloc
We are doomed........
- cosmo0
reminds me of the matrix.
- ninjasavant0
Good thing I got robot insurance when the rates were low
- Crouwel0
Within 50 years, eh? Well I fully believe that. Seriously, times they are a changing so fast.. anyway, i need to hop into my flying vehicle to buy some astronaut breakfast at the hovering ultradome, for i am needy.... i mean hungry.. sorry this telepathetic keyboard is still new to me. BTW yesterday i tripped over my antigravity device, didn't know until i looked outside into the thick cloud of smog and i could see by the shadows of the futuredomes i was hovering upside down all this time. haha..
- jamble0
That is quite simply gay. Although I find the idea of robots paying council tax quite amusing.
What if they use their powerful robotic brains to realise they're paying taxes to stupid human governmentalists who are wasting it?
- kidswift-0
Fuck that you know if i get a robot its gonna be cooking and cleaning for me 24/7 and when me and the girl get home from a night out it better be up to cook us some damn fine foord and bring us cocktails. Or belive you me its gonna get the beats!!
And lord knows my robot won't be running off to some pussy battered robots refuge no siree any back chat or equal rights malarky comming out of its cheeky cpu will earn it a one ride to the recycling plant.
pfft robot rights we build them so we can treat them in a way we can't treat people and still have nice warm glow.
- rafalski0
bollix!
- Peter0
In 50 years huh. Might as well get started beating the computer while it's still legal. Damn 'puters just never learn.
- Nairn0
Wow. Go Britain.
For once we're not harking back to our Empire days, but looking forward to those where all of humankind is united!
(..in the struggle against our emergent robotic overlords)
- elahon0
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. IT'S METAL AND PLASTIC!!
- mpfree0
I'll fucking thorhammer a robot!
- Nairn0
You're a bag of water and carbon.
- mpfree0
In 50 years huh. Might as well get started beating the computer while it's still legal. Damn 'puters just never learn.
PeterH
(Dec 20 06, 02:14)hahhaha
- 23kon0
nairn ya bastard! you beat me to saying exactly the same to elahon.
:P
- flagellum0
It's really the inevitable result of materialistic philosophy. If everything can be boiled down to matter and if consciousness is simply an evolutionary tease granted to us by Natural Selection as some sort of survival advantage, then machines should be given the same rights. For we are no "better" than they.
Of course this is absurd. We will never be able to produce machines which possess consciousness because the mind cannot be reduced to molecules bumping into each other. There will always be the non-physical mind which encompasses the will and emotions.
- Nairn0
*sigh
Of course this is absurd. We will never be able to produce machines which possess consciousness because the mind cannot be reduced to molecules bumping into each other. There will always be the non-physical mind which encompasses the will and emotions.
flagellum
(Dec 20 06, 05:43)..You believe.
- flagellum0
"The problem is that mental properties are the results of the physical response. They never cause anything. Now, the problem with that is, it seems that mental states do cause things. It seems that we do make choices. It seems that we do think about things and adjudicate between good ideas and bad ideas and, therefore, exercise rationality.
You see, this bottom-up approach (which treats consciousness merely as a property) results in determinism, meaning that physical systems drive everything and produce consciousness. But all physical systems ultimately are determined.
You say: Here's a feeling I'm having. What caused that feeling? Well, this configuration of electromagnetic impulses (or whatever) going through your system. C-fibers firing. And you say: What caused that? Well, some kind of chemistry in the body. Well, what caused that? Some kind of physical stimulus to the end of the finger or something like that, which ends up in the feeling of pain, but it's some other thing that caused that.
And you see you can keep going back further and further and further, and there's always going to be some prior cause, because all purely physical systems are always the result of some prior necessary and sufficient physical condition that causes the subsequent condition.
Physical systems are always deterministic. This is why science works. We look at purely physical systems and we know that we can set up the same physical conditions and get the same result, because the circumstances determine the result.
But what does that make human beings then, if we're viewed simply as physical systems? If our consciousness is only an emergent property-- it's only a result-- then it's on the top. It doesn't effect anything. It's just riding along.
And if it doesn't effect anything, then I don't choose. What appear to be choices are merely the results of chemical reactions that happen on their own in a deterministic way in my physical body.
And if I don't choose anything, not really, then it doesn't make any sense to talk about my rights to autonomy as if I had choices. I'm not capable of choosing at all.
And indeed, if we're not capable of choosing at all, then we're not capable of choosing a good idea over a bad idea. Which means there is no rationality, because rationality means that we adjudicate between ideas and choose the one that makes the most sense, given the evidence. But if there's no choosing, then there's no rationality either.
So what this really does is make us all into just machines. Indeed, we start as machines, we end as machines. The only difference is, this machine has this property floating around on the surface of it that doesn't cause anything. And if we're machines, then choice makes no sense...then morality makes no sense...then rationality makes no sense."
- Kuz0
i dont think this is bollocks. Technological advances are having a massive impact on what we perceive to be human. It's throwing our whole concept of the self into crisis.
Check this article published in the Economist today:
http://www.economist.com/opinion…
This does directly relate to this in many ways.
- Nairn0
Tell you what, how about we each spend the next ½ hour scouting the internet for clever-sounding articles which we can then post to each other and claim as being born of our own understanding?
How can you honestly think that we, at our level of development, can have any inkling of how reality and consciousness works?
Everything you write/quote smacks of ignorant arrogance.
But then, that's exactly what religion is, isn't it?
- Kuz0
oi Nairn
I just read that article today and thought it was interesting.
Jeez, disagree with it if you want to, sarcy bastard. It just fits in with the intense spiritual personal journey i've been exploring for the last year or two.
Neruobiology and the self...
- flagellum0
Nairn, it's ok if you don't get well-reasoned philosophical arguments. Don't let it get you so flustered though.
Bottom line - if physicalism is true. Then determinism is true. We are deterministically bound. So don't think you are going to hold me accountable for any decisions I make. After all, there really is no "me".