Evolution Schmevolution
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- discipler0
For now, I'm going to try and give a naturalistic account of how the pyramids were erected by thousands of meteors falling on top of one other over billions of years.
- discipler0
expounding on increased complexity... the trend over the last 30 years of science has been discoveries which point in a theistic direction (this is why I.D. has grown to the degree that it has and why it will continue to grow). So, the evolution-of-the-gaps notion that says, "give us, time we'll make sense of it from a naturalistic standpoint." has no bearing in ther real world becuase the progressive flow of discovery yields more computer like complexity at the biochemical level as well as the astro-physical level.
I vote for the best POSSIBLE hypothesis. Not the best naturalistic hypothesis.
- discipler0
It's the evolution-of-the-gaps that gets me. The suggestion that proteins somehow self organized magically (given enough time of course) and then formed amino acids and ultimately cells (which are irreducibly complex so they need all components at the same time, or they just don't work) and then the fish became reptiles and then apes and the Rip Taylor and then... ah, I digress.
Have faith! Science is going to come up with a solution!
Nevermind that science is only going to yield more complexity in biological systems. ;)
- discipler0
hehe, mikotondria (waves back), there are bigger issues than imposing our flawed (but puffed up) notions of what "good design" is upon a limitless entity and attempting to point out apparent dysteleology in biological systems when the bigger picture always yields a more holistic purpose for the alleged "flaws". Bigger questions like: How does and irreducibly complex machine self organize when the only examples in every facet of life of such machines, require a designer? Not to mention the fact that natural selection would prevent said machines from every happening. Or, how did nothing apply nothing and form something from nothingness? And how did said "nothing" fine tune our planet and the relevant physical laws withing an impossible tolerance to support organic life? And where are the cogs and dats (those darn transitions between species)?
Questions like these... for starters.
- fate_0
Randoman has taught me that there are far, far worse people to get worked up over than just people I disagree with.
- mikotondria20
ah no...discpler's cool, hes always a perfect gent and I enjoy his posts and discussions..
*is he looking at me ?? is he?
- fate_0
Discipler, it's just silly, man. It's the "God in the gaps" application to things we don't fully understand.
But eventually, we'll run out of gaps for God to fill. Just a matter of time.
- pavlovs_dog0
discipler is a textbook case of latent homosexuality. ...i'm not judging, but he is.
- mikotondria20
'pagan creation myths..' are exactly what ID is one of..
The notion that certain aspects of the processes of biology are unknowable to us, and are the selective work of a hidden hand..
which telepathically guides each molecule in each organism into place, on each occaision that the chemistry required is somewhat slightly above our current understanding of.
Its seems to start somewhere above the simpler reactions, such as enzyme manufacture and action, gets kinda shaky towards proteins, and downright mysterious at the genetic level - thats fine though - the big G, in hir ultimate wisdom thought it would be far better to leave hirself a little hobby once the world was up and running, namely missing out those sections of life-bearing processes that could be handled by the mechanics of electronegativity, osmosis etc so that He would have to intervene to keep things running. Doesnt sound like the most omnipotent and omniscient approach to creation, but what do I know ?
Even given that this creator is not contrained by linear time in the same way we mortals are, it still adds up to a heck of a lot of work, trillions and trillions of apparantly impossible reactions per second, and thats just on the one world we know about..
In all honesty, I think were he to build the universe again, creating a systematic chemistry, perfected for automated production of living systems; one that did not require constant tinkering from behind the veil of maya, would be preferable.
Maybe next time, eh ?*hey Discipler :) !! waves..
- discipler0
I think I'm going to start plugging my fingers in my ears when I hear someone i don't agree with too! Sounds productive, eh?
- discipler0
ah, there's tolerance and insightful commentary I've come to know and...
- uberdesigner0
I feel better now that I out discipler on ignore. Gimme that old time religion with fire, brimstone, and fear. Fuck you discipler, even if you are a troll.
- discipler0
More on the spaghetti monster:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/i…
(now don't you feel silly?)no fate, in reality it's an issue of people content in their blissful ignorance who don't want to take the time to learn the truth about an important scientific issue.
Teach all the other what? Intelligent Design theory only claims to detect design in biological systems. It's what science observes. Hmm, maybe you should learn about these issues before appearing foolish.
- fate_0
discipler, nah. It's just a ludicrous concept, teaching ID along with Evolution.
This is why "Flying Spaghetti Monster" was created. To poke fun at ID. Because if one dumb-shit idea is good enough to teach, why not all the other ones?
- discipler0
ah ok. Just watched it. Nothing new. He's jumping on the same band wagon as Bill Maher and the others. "It's something that republicans are behind, so let's poke fun at it regardless of the real data and make it a political and religious issue instead of an old science vs. good science issue... etc...". And, like the others, he makes the mistake of lumping I.D. into the same category as pagan creation myths.
It's all in fun though and hopefully intelligent people aren't watching his show to glean scientific truth from it. ;)
- discipler0
uh oh... what did i miss?
- del_razor0
I live in Chattanooga, TN
30 minutes from Dayton, TN.. where Ed Helms did his package from..
trust me.. it's that bad.. it's a scary little town..
my girlfriend grew up there for a while.. glad she got out when she did..
- moural0
Yeah, I agree. He's acting way too much like a politician, and not enough like a comedian.
And the next time I laugh at a piece Samantha Bee or Ed Helms does, it will be the first time. Ugh, those pieces are painful.
Daily Show, please get funny again.
- mrdobolina0
nah, I thought it was funny. make your own jokes if you dont like his.
- theplanet0
it's funny, unless you believe there is a man in the sky that throws fire when he doesnt like you.
mrdobolina
(Sep 13 05, 10:29)So if you believe in evolution it was funny? I believe in Evolution and thought it was boring.
Jon Stewart needs to get funny agian. Latly he tries too hard to be deep and make a difference and then he says some lame joke at the end.
He was better when he was just funny.