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- brtman0
always look on the bright side of suicide
- Witt0
it's a very serious matter.
i don't think it's a good topic for an open forum.
- Crouwel0
people who have families and commit suicide are pathetic
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(Aug 18 05, 13:10)careful there.
sometimes suicide is committed to escape a lifelong struggle against depression, caused by some biological malfunction science still doesn't know about..
a very close friend of mine lost his wife, he still has two little kids. none of them would call her pathetic though.
she wasn't simply tired of life, she was escaping a depression of the absolute worst kind, something that even left the medics puzzles.
- ppl rarely try to imagine the possibility of different biological states of being. some ppl fight until they cant anymore, some choose it. the shittiest part isdeathboy
- coming to terms with knowing there is nothing you can do. completely powerless. Stigma of suicide is stupid. Try to ignore the our own slow methods of chasingdeathboy
- death. Cant wait until man accepts death like a season and helps. I hope when im ready i can in a center on a opioid trip and know those close to me wont be findeathboy
- ding my shit or needing to clean it. all part of a service and part of a services where medicaid and hospice doesnt steal everything i have for my loved ones.deathboy
- Crouwel0
*puzzled
- sofas0
Just a thought-
If you go by mainstream science, then contrary to other beings, like plants or even other highly developed mammals, we are one of the only species to commit suicide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An…
That has pros and cons. For example, pro because it can be nice to have a choice, con because that choice can be detrimental to your life, even if you don't commit suicide. If you wouldn't have a choice maybe you would put more of an effort into being happy or helping people who are considering suicide, or just accept that your going to live life as it will be, not as you want.
- pablo280
People in rich countries are dying of loneliness
https://qz.com/1048847/people-in…- all work and not much money makes humans a dull boy. Ive been pushed a few times as well. Dark age we are now inmugwart
- Beeswax1
Atheism and Suicide rates have direct correlation.
I'm too lazy to add the sources here.
I don't know how but try to keep yourself stable and happy if you're an atheist.
If you were not one, I'd say, no matter how hard this life punches you it's all for your spiritual development so embrace it.
- imbecile2
Suicide is a selfish decision that only affects the living. Death is natural. Creating dieties from weak individuals that society falsely idolizes is the real issue. I believe in suicide and the right to take ones life. I do not believe in the celebration of such weak and selfish people in the media. You killed yourself, you are not an example of how humans should act. You're dead. Stay out of the media. But alas, the media needs that dead body to make money...
- While I agree with you and also would like to add that the media isn't a place what values any sense of moral principles.
As someone whom sometimes gets 'lost'mugwart - from time to time - I can tell you the pain becomes so unbearable I understand why they do it.
There is very little help out there as well (if your poor).mugwart - To note if there are kids involved then yes I nod that the action is selfish.mugwart
- i've been close, i don't share these opinions lightly. it's a dark place to go to. anyone who chooses to travel there should not be celebrated.imbecile
- Not the best thing to tell people who contemplating on suicide they are struggling so much that they want to die.pango
- And they are still being judged for wanting to killing them self. They need help. Not judgement.pango
- They need judgement. They need an honest voice. What they don’t need is coddled any further. If people want to die, they should be left to.imbecile
- It just shouldn’t be celebrated.imbecile
- I wouldn’t worry about that. It’s definitely not celebrated anywhere.pango
- While I agree with you and also would like to add that the media isn't a place what values any sense of moral principles.
- imbecile0
to address the original post; yes, suicide is contagious.
- sofas0
Miscellaneous anecdotes:
"Suicide rates in Greenland increase during the summer, peaking in June. Researchers speculate that insomnia caused by incessant daylight may be to blame."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/rel…"According to government reports, between 20% and 25% of Greenlanders attempt to kill themselves at some point in their lifetime.[1] Greenland also has by far the highest suicide rate in the world: reports between 1985 and 2012 showed that an average of 83 people in 100,000 committed suicide, more than twice the rate of the second placed country, Lithuania.[2]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su…"About one person in 10 000 dies by suicide every year (1.4% of all deaths), with reported rates per 100 000 population of 10.7 in 2015 (was 11.6 in 2008). In Western countries male and female rates of suicidal behaviors differ at a greater degree compared to those in the rest of the world.[4][5][6] Around 30% of global suicides are due to pesticide self-poisoning, most of which occur in rural agricultural areas in low- and middle-income countries consisting in about 80% world population; some of them are forbidden by United Nations (UN) conventions.[7][8] In high-income countries consisting of the remaining 20% world population most common methods are firearms, hanging and other self-poisoning. Europe is the most suicidal region in the entire world, while the Eastern Mediterranean the least.[9][10]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li…"In the western world, males die by suicide three to four times more often than do females.[4][7]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge…
- M01XXX0
I'm scared of getting older.
- work towards having grandkidsBeeswax
- No thanksM01XXX
- What about getting older scares you?sofas
- That one day I can't get my dick up and look too old to fuck the young hot chicks.M01XXX
- Maybe your brain and concept of a fulfilled life needs to mature along with your body.cannonball1978
- Thanks, I'm 16M01XXX
- ...you sure are.notype
- imbecile0
Suicides Spiked After Robin Williams' Death, Study Says
http://time.com/5137194/robin-wi…The Science Behind Suicide Contagion
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/…Is Suicide Contagious? A Study of the Relation between Exposure to the Suicidal Behavior of Others and Nearly Lethal Suicide Attempts
https://academic.oup.com/aje/art…- If the data is to be believed, the media should be responsible for the lives taken after broadcasting the suicide of a celebrity.imbecile
- The data's to be believed - this is a long-known correlation - but it's a bit disingenuous to blame the media for merely reporting, no?detritus
- not at all. if the media knows their broadcast will cause a suicide spike, they are knowingly causing death, as anonymous as it may be.imbecile
- re: 3rd article... why expose if it is known that attempts will increase? irresponsible, but a secondary benefit of population culling now that I think about itimbecile
- BusterBoy6
A few months back I was walking from my house up to the post office. I walk past a railway line and noticed a train had stopped. Walked alongside to see what was going on...and saw a person lying under the train. Looked like an older person...shook me up big time.
Read later in the day it was a 16 year old girl from a nearby school who had been bullied online. I was absolutely shattered and it provokes a terrible physical and emotional reaction everytime I walk past the same spot.
For the girl's family, I can't imagine how they felt.
- :-(Krassy
- saw very similar when i was 17 guy, lad who worked at the station topped himself on the lines. 18 years later and still creeps me out at that spot.kingsteven
- :/ any idea if the community is helping her family?notype
- @notype - not certain but I imagine so. From what I have read they're a pretty tight family and it's a strong school.BusterBoy
- Ianbolton0
I'm sure I read that suicide was a bigger killer than war, conflict and terrorism. So we're a bigger threat to ourselves than terrorists?!
- source?pockets
- the number of deaths from suicides is higher than the number of deaths from all forms of violence – including homicide, terrorism, conflict, and executionsIanbolton
- https://www.ted.com/…Ianbolton
- One of the many facts in Sapiens and also Enlightenment Now by Steven PinkerIanbolton
- robthelad6
As a close friend of someone who took their own life. The worst part for me was not having any idea it was even a possibility beforehand, and being unable to ask why afterward.
I do believe suicide happens because the person believes that it'll be the end of everything for them. And that choice is better than living in that moment.
We can't judge others as we don't have a clue.
- mugwart5
God I hope I can convey this into words correctly, always found it impossible to externalizing my feelings into words in open forums. I'll probably regret this in about 10 mins!
All in my IMAO - this topic is huge and goes very deep into all our lives and how we live and how the world's power is structured.
For me it's about the quality of life we have been lead to believe in as a child and what 'calls' up from us internally on whom we are and what we want to do with our lives, for me this is organic. My issue is what we are forced to live in a structure that destroys us and breaks us down. To me at least, someone that has key depression, its not just chemicals in the brain, its how we are forced to live and its hostile life conditions, and our toxic food we fuel our gut with, if our food and psychology were fertilizer it wouldn't grow a fucking dandelion.
We are taxed to our eyeballs, no chance to save up for a future, no small house, no healthy retirement, what we dream for and to be is normally taken from us by 'harsh reality' that has been set up to benefit the upper class. The hours and conditions are insane. Christ I'm 9-6 on a good day, then I have to study at home.
Not meaning to get in to a negative debate about feminism (I'm really not anti) but it sucks to be a man just as much, if not more so than its been lead to believe. 99% the working force has been pigeon holed into cubical and abused by a sociopath boss. Live out non-existent lifes and die early years of retirement. The amount of support you have is next to none. 1 in 4 are abused and not many speak up about this. "man up" is all the advice. Which is why (I believe) is part of the reason the male rate is a lot higher.
Child support is insane and it chokes you. I have to pay not to be abused and to be happy each month ... which takes away my nest egg funds for myself and mainly my son. I can't give my son a garden and a room to decorate - holidays in the sun. Which fucking kills me inside.
We simply have been cattle to the elite, a conveyor belt from birth into 'factory'. When was the last time a power was not from the same fucking families? (I'm British but the rest of the world aint much better).
People get lost and can't find a way out.
No one in the west takes psychology into every day account. Bullying is normal, it's why that poor girl jumped. I know a lady last year that just told me that she attempted last year and after hours talking to her she was victim to narcissistic abuse within work place.
Work will never take it seriously as hell half the bosses are probably sociopaths (over generalized sweeping statement).We, as a people, are so divided and educated to have such polar opposites over beliefs we have no community. While we all argue over pronouns (again something that should be taking into account for fair life quality) drones are still being used to attack remote villages and in UK there are massive protests for anti semantics but no one has spoken about the war crimes at Gaza strip. Just reading about that place and the hypocrisy makes you well up and think about that bridge you walk over every day.
This is really hard to word without it reading a rant and the points are so many and vast it's hard not to read this as vague.
I feel the way out of this problem is easy yet impossible as it invokes people getting active. Avoid banks that do damage, companies that track its customers and employees hand movements, demand end to corruption and money wars. I feel quality of life would improve 10 fold as people have to 'be' and not sleep through existence.
I'm writing from vast experience of depression and attempts, I still scratch my head as to why I'm still alive, this moment in time I'm only still breathing as the damage it would do to my son would be untold, yet its a struggle every day.
I wish people would stop going to the Tescos and Amazons and build communities. I'm learning to brew Kombucha, fermented veg and sew clothes. Anyone up for starting a trade community in London by the end of the year let me know!
Forgive the epic post. Just something very close to my chest.
- don't take me wrong, but I think abandoning for a community alternative lifestyle is not necessarily the right answer (I wish it wasn't)...uan
- ...we should at least try to introduce more sustainable economic principles into the system.uan
- Seems like most of living humanity is descendant from generations of slaves engineered by its masters.
Hope you feel better :)sofas - https://www.youtube.…sofas
- ^ yeah, I'm well versed in this notion.
@uan, I don't mean a hippy comune (I'm goth for starters) - I just mean get more involved, be more not observe.mugwart - Since children sometimes adapt more easily compared to grown ups and realising reality has its pros (and cons), would it be good to convey this to your son?sofas
- feel bad about the length of this - alot to get out!mugwart
- @ sofa - I'm bringing him up with honesty. We talk about everything good and bad. We don't have any other family on my side so we are all we have.mugwart
- so yes there is positives. just rather brutal!!mugwart
- Good post...I would say most of what you describe is built into the system of modern Western life...so you really have to opt out of the system to avoid them.yuekit
- But most people lack the risk taking or imagination to opt out... so they get stuck on the same treadmill as everyone else.yuekit
- ^ why baby steps is all that is needed. Start off grass roots is all that is needed. Just stop buying from cunts make them accountablemugwart
- Y'all should go to Lanyu island, Sure were duped into host taiwanese nuclear waste, but life out there is pretty simple. Go fishing. Eat dried flying fish..shapesalad
- .. Eat yams. Check the weather, go fish at 5am, relax all day. etc. If you get away from LDN, NYC, LA... the west, life is still fairly simples.shapesalad
- *Sure they were duped into hosting...shapesalad
- Hmmm never heard of Lanyu. But there are lots of places like that in the world. I've been splitting my time between Bali and Thailand past few months.yuekit
- Lanyu / Orchid Island, quiet a world away. Wonderful though. Beautiful traditional boats. Dried flying fish tastes amazing. Life is good.shapesalad
- You got us mug. And endless supply of set psb.pango
- ^ someone has to keep us together, it's probably both you and set!mugwart
- @shape -- what vegan options you have over there!!?mugwart
- Should be something... the sweet potato/taro over there is super good. Taiwan has buddhist monk temples that do amazing creature free foods.shapesalad
- Very touching mug... thanks for sharing your feelings. But I think there are still places to live a life with dignity in the west...OBBTKN
- I agree as well. I'm not saying up and leave to some far away place. I'm saying stand our ground, "wake up" a bit and start improving our landscape.mugwart
- cannonball19780
It's pretty simple if you look at this at a macro level. The world is overpopulated by humans. The side effects of being overpopulated trickle down and impact us in ways that cause us to want to kill ourselves.
- It really isn't that simpleIanbolton
- From a cause and effect standpoint, certainly. From a solution standpoint, probably not.cannonball1978
- Ianbolton26
I'm 42 this year and spent the past 5 years (or so) swaying from complete existential nihilism to borderline control freak where I felt the need to push everyone out of my life as I thought they were the one's making me drink/smoke/do drugs. Nothing made sense one way or the other and have constantly battled with my own negative thoughts towards suicide - as though my life hangs on a shoestring.
This is the first year in which I've actually felt I've finally got the balance I need especially with a new design job in the new year, but it's not been easy. I've struggled with being praised, office 'banter' bewildered me, being creative drove me to serious existential questions about why and what I was doing had any worth, especially in a world in which is constantly striving for individualism.
I've searched really hard to find positivity and maybe even love in all of this, but the only things that have really helped me are close friends, meditation and exercise and generally just being honest and truthful about the things that I do.
The Buddhist saying of 'life is suffering' can really take it's toll on people if they don't understand the real meaning giving in to greed and political ideologies. Nobody is perfect and we all have our own thoughts/hangups/insecurities, but overall just being nice to each other must be a better place to start if we want to make a better future.
I've sat here in the background on QBN for over 10 years and watched with amusement, but seriously, every single one of you have given me something to smile about during my darkest times and I can't possibly thank you enough. So yeah, thanks to the lot of you.
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- Take some psychedelics.set
- Suffering and pain are the best teachers, and help us grow, but it's easy to get stuck within that vibration. Pity and self reflection are what gets you stuck.set
- Try spending one day catching yourself every time you're in your head, looking at the world through self reflective blinkers.set
- Removing the self as the focal point to see the world through helps tremendously.set
- Just look at the world for what it is. Truly awesome, magical, mysterious and wondrous, without focusing solely on how it relates to you.set
- It's a great way to take yourself less seriously and see the joy and magic in the worldset
- Without only seeing it as being either good or bad for you. You're not that important.set
- And if anyone gets offended by that, which they will, then newsflash... you're too self important.set
- You'd make a great guru set! Your right on points bar last (IMAO). I'd say there is great importance in our lives. There is great implication of our actions ...mugwart
- through time and space. It is this where life truely becomes meaningful.mugwart
- Imagine a world where lennon didn't marry yoko. Hendrix picked up the guitar, Freddie the microphone etcmugwart
- They were imperfect, they lived and died in a heart beat but the reprocution of their actions lived on enriching lives, enhancing and giving meaning etc. IMAO!mugwart
- Worlds of difference between self importance and self worth :)set
- You can love yourself, know your worth, be proud and happy without a shred self importance. Two very different things, imo.set
- Self importance is thinking the world owes you something. It does not.set
- I agree!mugwart
- Thanks. And yeah, the 4 areas of nihilism usually spans from lack of self worth or self importance - in my head anyway.Ianbolton
- It's when it get's down to that whole 'what's the point in any of this' that really used to blag my head.Ianbolton
- But my heads only a tiny part of this amazing world and sometimes i got over excited and thought I don't have time to learn all the things I want toIanbolton
- moogchild2
- haha, came in here to do this yesterday and ended up reading the whole thing.kingsteven
- i remember liking the Suicide facebook years ago and it was full of folks that had no idea it was a band - that just 'liked' suicide :-skingsteven
- ^;)^moogchild