Creationist Lies
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- JazX0
Too much philosophy for my blood Tick
- discipler0
Once again, agree to disagree, Tick.
- kld0
I guess you have to wake pretty early in the morrning to be the 666th poster in this thread.
Farkers.
- TheTick0
I find intriguing the idea that if the fundamental laws of the universe do infact evolve does that suggest that god, or a creator being evolves as well. Now that is an idea that blows my mind, but also one which I find intellectually and spiritually invigorating...
And JazX in case you missed the link here it is again:
- Mimio0
Can you link that article Jazx. I want to show it to someone I'm having lunch with in a few weeks.
Thanks.
- Kuz0
Popular statements such as "the second law says that all systems fundamentally tend toward disorder and randomness" are wrong when they refer to chemistry, and chemistry precisely deals with the structure and behavior of all types of matter.
Many kinds of molecules can strike other kinds very violently and produce totally new types of molecules – another mode of formation of new complex ordered structures due to the same innate nature of atoms to form strong bonds and spread out energy to the surroundings. Amino acids when simply melted with other amino acids (to make them move more rapidly) form huge new compounds. These are NOT useful or valuable proteins. The process simply illustrates the probability of the existence of complex gigantic substances in nature. Though not proteins, they are "proteinoid" in that they have hundreds to thousands of amino acid units firmly joined in the same kind of bonds that hold proteins together.
A simple example of the spontaneous behavior of elements is the reaction of hydrogen gas with oxygen (that was tragically illustrated when the Hindenburg dirigible burned in 1937). Hydrogen atoms have such a great inherent tendency to form strong bonds with oxygen to yield water that a small energy of activation, in the form of a spark affecting only a relatively few molecules, causes the two substances to start to react, resulting in an enormous evolution of energy. This is exactly as the second law predicts: some of the energy in hydrogen and oxygen tends to be spread out when the lesser-energetic water is formed. Yet, water is more complex than the simple elements and its atoms are arranged in an exact geometric pattern.
There are millions of compounds that have less energy in them than the elements of which they are composed. That sentence is a quiet bombshell. It means that the second law energetically FAVORS -- yes, predicts firmly -- the spontaneous formation of complex, geometrically ordered molecules from utterly simple atoms of elements.
- JazX0
JazX - here's something I found quick - looks pretty good:
www.physicsweb.org/art...
TheTick
(Jun 15 05, 10:45)Interesting, now there's some science.
'The strange story of the Oklo reactor
Natural uranium contains two isotopes. Uranium-235, the isotope that is useful for nuclear energy, is relatively rare and accounts for just 0.7% of all natural uranium. Its less-radioactive sibling, uranium-238, makes up the other 99.3%. In 1972 scientists from the French atomic energy commission noticed something mysterious in soil samples taken from a uranium mine in Gabon in Central Africa: the relative abundance of uranium-235 was a factor of two lower than expected..."
"One possibility was that a band of hi-tech terrorists had been stealing and stockpiling the missing uranium for purposes even more evil than blowing up innocent atolls." - wtf hahaha
That's interesting. Anomalies make my heart beat faster.
"Alexander Shlyakhter of the Leningrad Nuclear Physics Institute."
Looks like he was a Ruski.
"It should be noted that the present status of all these experiments is one of consistency. For example, the geological results do not conflict with the quasar results or the atomic-clock experiments because they probe very different epochs in the history of the universe."
hmmmm...
- QuincyArcher0
man, i could've sworn this was a design forum...
- discipler0
oh good gawsh, kes. Alright, I give up, let the pasting begin...
No, forget that. I'll just link you an article:
- Anarchitect0
you're not an hypocrite.
you just don't [want to] have a stance on anything.
- Hym0
discipler i was 8 years old and just an annoying angry kid willing to fight anything that cared to answer and losing parents early didn't really help.
But that doesn't matter, i feel satisfied with my view on life and so do you. You probably can't live in a world without a God, well i take the reverse.
- TheTick0
That's all she wrote boy....
Let's do this again, same time next week? But next time we need more dick jokes...
- anzelina0
i can't believe this thread is still alive.
DIE already
- discipler0
It's the Viagra that keeps me go... oh, wait... no, errr...
- TheTick0
It is illogical and downright absurd to suggest that something came from nothing.
discipler
(Jun 15 05, 10:53)
----------------In Western Christiantian and most Greek thought yes. But Buddhism has Mu and form arriving from emptiness as a very basic concept. So I suppose all civilizations west of the Iran are absurd?
- Kes0
oi k77, we aint arguing
we're discussing ;)
- pocho0
OK...can ANYONE explain why, if things do NOT evolve, why only Australia has so many funky and unique creatures?
- mrdobolina0
I cant believe you just posted in it, if you are so upset!
- JazX0
'You ever notice people who believe in creationism look really unevolved? You know, eyes real close together, big furry hands...
"I believe God created me in one day"
"Hmm... looks like he rushed it" '
*sigh*
Come back Bill, we miss you.
bruised_blood
(Jun 14 05, 09:40)hahha, what!?! some of my professors looked de-evolved. hahahaa