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- rasko40
oh I think its probably the same as what you are calling 'street art' - stuff like invader, faile, above etc.
- winter0
lowimpakt: how can you have comm. dev when people are getting more and more individualistic, and their personal differences grow more and more apart?
this sort of expression (and its public disrespect) reveals that precisely.
- rabattski0
hmmm... ok. why post graffiti? i mean, imo there's no relation except using the street as a medium between street art and graffiti. i guess it all depends on how you define it. but how would you describe jean michel basquiat's work on the street back then?
- rasko40
well its not my term, I thinkits because the term 'street art' was getting used by people who didn't really know the difference to describe anything from a stencil to a piece to a tag, any 'art that happened to be on the 'street'.. and as many graff writers have moved away from graff and into this so the term has been born, people like Flying Fortress for instance.
- rabattski0
ok. diggit. not fully agreeing. but who cares. it's just a term. :)
- lowimpakt0
well, I say that because I am aware of a number of community development projects some in London etc. and they are looking at alternative methods to bureaucratic planning (my term) in community development. They are looking at methods of engagement and the role of ownership in community and urban design.
very briefly: there was one project that involved the improved ment of a derelict outdoor play/sportsground. The designers came in, changes the area as they say fit, picked utilities,colours, pictures on walls etc. After a short time it was trashed by kids in the area. They reentered the project with the community and involved the kids in the design process. The kids made decisions on what they wanted in their play area etc. Last I heard the area had lasted months of use but no abuse. The very basic concept was that the youth felt a sense of ownership of their public space anbd so were less likely to damage it or feel the need to make their mark in less 'legal' ways.
- rasko40
yeah was that in the Camden/Kentish Town area?
- winter0
ah, sorry. thought you're talking of something else.
yes, that's the way to go. in fact, it is probably the only way to go. rather late though. sociologists (as well as architects) are watching this problem since the 80's, but seems that only since the late 90's politicians realize that the city and especially the suburbs are different and new social groups are emerging.
- moth0
Hoodlums!!
I saw some great graffiti in Leicester on an old railway line. Never seen anything quite as good since... just ignorant scribble.
- Kuz0
I agree with lowimpact. It's an attack on property so political in and off itself. Also maybe an attack on movement and freedom on movement? As in, writing "I woz 'ere '04" is pretty lame,. but writing it on a subway 5m from an electrified track is pretty damn impressive. Same with off the sides of bridges and up massive towerblocks. It's like how the fuck did u get up there to even write that mate? Announcing his/her freedom to roam? Not gonna follow ur rules on the layout of the city - the structures of power enmeshed in environment/architecture. Subversive in itself.
- loudubs0
what a goddamn shame it would be to have to explain this to a forum of supposed "designers". For whatever it's worth, it's meaning is in it's pure subversion itself and what better foil for this subversion than the iPod, a symbol of complacency, mediocrity.....
- scanhead0
Interesting to see how this thread has evolved into a discussion on street art and graffitti.
I thought the iRaq posters were visual clever puns on the propaganda of war.
Any thoughts on the parallels between graffitti and vandalism and the state sponsored destruction of life and property in Iraq?
- winter0
everything gets to that point, doesn't it? to the point of what some people do be of some violence to others.
and all this graff explosion? is it really subversive? is it not, with hip-hop, magazines, labeling, etc, etc, already a powerful industry that may have its skyscrapers one of these days?
- k0na_an0k0
not to shake the bees nest, but i don't really get it. i don't really see what apple and it's ads have to do with it. was it just an easy pun to make iraq into iRaq?!? how un-original is that? i get the message for sure, but i just don't know why that pun was used with an apple ad reference. with all of the major companies and individuals whom are actually involved in this debacle i don't see why this was used. is it just and easy 'art' pun? taking the well known apple iPod ads and cleverly replacing it with iRaq. wow. after writing this i TOTALLY get it now. not.
- toastie0
I still don't understand what they're supposed to mean.
- winter0
if intended could mean that everything gets corporate, and iraq is just another entreprise,
and that EVERYBODY IS PLAYING THE GAME even if you listen to alternative shit, believing yourself to be out.
- mrdobolina0
the headphone wire in alot of these makes no sense.
- k0na_an0k0
if intended could mean that everything gets corporate, and iraq is just another entreprise,
and that EVERYBODY IS PLAYING THE GAME even if you listen to alternative shit, believing yourself to be out.
winter
(jul 12 04, 07:02)==
are you playing the game? you working? if so wouldn't that mean you are in some way just as guilty as all the other corporations? that's as silly generalization.
- rasko40
*oh dear*
- winter0
and aren't we? isn't our lifestyle (and the need to maintain it) the reason things like economical wars happen. i think it is.
of course there are ways and ways to make things but you must see the historical context also. what if everybody dropped their cars and go on horseback again? would iraq mean anything to the west?