Jr Designer thread - Wordpress edition
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- cherub
and by Jr Designer I mean, I'm not good at wp yet but I intend to be. lol.
It's a journey.
Wordpress is open, I'm learning things...
One slight tactical mistake I made so far. If you install a plugin like beaver builder to help build your page and you uninstall it, you end up with a broken site when you try to go re-edit using the built in wp editor.
Because apparently the different page builders don't play nice with each other, I wish I had know that before.
I know we have a wordpress thread but u guys are wordpress wizards. That thread is intimidating tbh.
Don't go too hard on me. I'm new.
- pockets1
when you use most editors bakery, elementor, etc. you're kinda committing to using it, removal causes issues for all including css styles, pages, shortcodes. if mistakenly uninstalled then reinstalled you will still have loss of some things at times.
exports, backups, full downloaded dupes or even server side backups will always save you headaches when making drastic changes
https://duplicator.com/ plugin has been good to me over the years.
- free version:
https://wordpress.or…pockets - and in reference to your 1st paragraph, there is probably no tool that you can install AFTER uv made the mistake that will tell you which builder created thecherub
- page. Normally I'd say look at the log file but I've heard wp doesn't keep a log file by default u need to install a plugin to access it.cherub
- export the database sql file for more reassurancepockets
- or simply never edit in production:
https://www.reddit.c…pockets - there is probably easier ways to tell how pages were made but ive always just reviewed the raw source to make conclusionspockets
- you dont have to be a pro to post here:
https://www.qbn.com/…pockets - there are some very knowledgeable wordpress devs on here that can always helppockets
- They are gurus for certain, I just didn't want to muck that thread up with my derpy wp fumbles. (which there are likely to be many many more)cherub
- Also I only understand about 40% of what's going on in the wp thread, if I'm being honest. I don't have designer vocabulary... yetcherub
- Holy rofl @ that reddit video pockets pffft...cherub
- free version:
- cherub0
Random question:
Is there anything inherently WRONG with just using the gutenburg block editor? Overall no one is making clear argument for what you CAN'T do with it to build a simple landing page.
I'm looking at these side by side page builder comparison videos on youtube. This guy's accent puts me off a bit... but he does come very close to answering a question I had around the 2:40 mark
(again, hard to understand thru that accent)
If I understood him correctly he is saying that the gutenburg editor is overly simplistic (so far so good) but one very important difference - is that with the gutenburg editor, your theme will override the styling in the editor. So if u are a doofus like me, and you've mangled up the text or fonts or whatever, you can just go into your theme and change it, and your theme (in the case, neve) has your back. The theme styling will override everything else anyway so your'e fine.
That's sounds great to me, I'd rather design my page in the neve sidebar anyway. It's very intuitive to be doing the design there, rather than clunk around with these rows and shit, I can't seem to ever drag and drop as easily as advertised.
RE: "you're kind of commiting to using it"
yeah I didn't know that in the beginning so now I'm having to loop back around and work some stuff out.
- I get it now. The page builders are independent of your theme.cherub
- :)pockets
- i disable gutenburg personallypockets
- ^yupYakuZoku
- Gutenburg was Wordpress trying to give all the people who were making sites with 'pagebuilder' add ons the ability to do all of that stuff within Wordpress.webazoot
- But it was/still is a bit of a mess. Not a fan of pagebuilders as you are behoden to whatever companys product you are using. But Gutenberg is not good either.webazoot
- Welcome to Wordpress in 2024.webazoot
- Ahhh good info. That's how Gutenberg came about... Makes sense.cherub
- cherub0
RE: 'Best Wordpress Practices'
Here are my choices on the Namecheap default Wordpress installation...
Now, if I google for this, google tells me on a fresh Wordpress installation you need:
Eleven essential WordPress plugins every site must have
1. A backup & security plugin like Jetpack. ...
2. A contact form builder like WPForms. ...
3. An anti-spam plugin like Akismet. ...
4. An SEO plugin like Yoast SEO. ...
5. A lead generation plugin like OptinMonster. ...
6. A WordPress CRM like Jetpack CRM. ...
7. An eCommerce plugin like WooCommerce...
8. 8. A legal pages builder like WP AutoTerms...
9. A redirect plugin like Redirection...
10. 10. A code inserter like WPCode...
11. A performance plugin like Jetpack Boost...Of course this list is too general, in reality you'll tweak/adjust to fit the website in question. So we're talking about, in MOST cases you'll need these plugins...
IF this were a TEST here's how I WOULD answer I you asked me, "Which of these are needed for fresh wp install?"
(I'm not cheating with google, this is just off the top of my head)
1. Security is #1 but not sure if there exists something better than jetpack, also the loginizer is necessary in case jetpack doesn't do that.
2. This is really useful, yes.
3. Antispam is probably right behind security, Akismet is pretty standard but u need a license key iirc. It's free tho.
4. SEO definitely needed, I like semrush / backlinko, but there are many that will do the job.
5. I'm not a marketer... not sure about this one.
6. CRM? Please speak English. No clue.
7. Ecommerce plugin... never used but excited to try. yes.
8. I have not even thought yet about legal compliance. **sweats profusely**
9. Redirect, umm. This is for broken links. So, yes? Unsure.
10. For code I used some PHP code inserter.
11. This one is silly. What is this doing, exactly? Minify the code? Why can't Wordpress put this in natively? Unless some people need slow Wordpress, that's why it's not native? Makes no sense. But yes, some speedup sounds good. Many choices tho.
What do actual designers say? What are the clutch WP plugins that u tend to use on every install?
Eager to hear your response... I probably got alot of these answers wrong
- I normally end up using Yoast and Contact Form 7 on most sites but all the rest of that, no. Site dependant.webazoot
- cherub0
I learned a hard lesson yesterday, and lost about 7 hours of productivity in the process.
If you install a theme and click 'edit' while viewing the page, you arent editing a webpage, you're editing the theme template for the front page. I should have suspected something was wrong when each time I clicked "save" it did NOT prompt me to also "publish" the page like it usually does. There is nothing to publish, its only a template. So after logging off then looking for my web page, of course I didnt find it in the trash or anywhere else... because it never existed.
This time, I saved the "template parts" so in case anything happens I can copy the blocks over.
There is one small upside. I'm getting used to the block editor, and how to work with rows and columns.
- At first the blocks thing was intimidating but now I understand what is meant when ppl say "It tries to take up all the available width". Also, my H2 tags werecherub
- being ignored then I found out its bcuz the container they were in... wouldn't let them be bigger. Then *POOF* huge text!!! IT WORKS NOW!!! hahacherub
- The only thing that is non-intuitive is I also seem to grab the wrong size rows, columns for the thing I'm doing, and I can't seem to drag the rows/colums tocherub
- make them bigger.cherub