Copyrighted Demo reel music?
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- antimotion
Mad apologies if there was a thread for this, but wondering what the ups and downs are for using music in a motion reel without permission..
I feel sort of dirty just asking, but seems like its a norm - do any of you use copyrighted material on your personal reel? Or is it totally in the wrong?
Thanks for any time taken to add to the thread...
- uan3
found some great work on your site....I think I'm gonna use some of it for my new music clip.
:)
- This is a perfect first post heheantimotion
- Lol thisshellie
- uan0
besides the fact that you are not acknowledging the work done by other creatives the biggest problem is they can take your reel down. specially if you post to yt,fb,vimeo.
- If it's acknowledged however, it's okay? Just see it a lot in motion reels... Wondering if they reached out to the artist / label...antimotion
- face_melter0
If you publish a video on YT with copyrighted material it has to be set up to be demonetised otherwise it will get pulled - I have a couple of flagged videos because they used Slayer and that track from Frozen. Videos are still there but the flag states that I cannot profit from them in any way.
Funny thing was, the track with Frozen uses footage from an Atari Teenage Riot video and that was the thing which was flagged. So much for their schoolboy anti-corporate horseshit...
- This is a good point - peeps on youtube copy/paste links and keep on "their" channel... interesting about Teenage Riot angle - YT is very odd like that I guess.antimotion
- "Slayer and that track from Frozen".detritus
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- shellie0
First, if you use the track without doing too much mixing/splicing/manipulation sonically to throw off recognition algorithms, the artist gets publishing royalties for YouTube plays. This applies to an artist I manage. YouTube reports spins outside of our channel to our online aggregator that distributes to stores. That is still a check (although fractions of a penny per spin) that will add up to sizable royalties for notable acts of varying degrees of fame. This change has relaxed labels on video takedowns bc they can now see those spins as additional streams of revenue from previously untapped market. If the artist ever sees a dime of that transaction is a whole other publishing matter, but imo you've done your part as part of the royalty generating distribution machine.
That aside, if not in the video itself, I've seen credit displayed in the description with a disclaimer that they don't own the copyright of the song. You can look up how it's been commonly done on YouTube I the past.
From a music business standpoint (I manage an artist), as long as the clip is long enough to count for a stream and it's credited in the description with some thoughtfulness so that fans can find the full length or official channel, I'm not gong to trip on the usage. Fans show their fandom in different ways. What kinda asshole is gunna stop that? It becomes problematic when music isn't cleared for monetary gain (reselling, selling tickets with music featuring, tv or movie placements, sampling for resale, unauthorised exploitation of master recordings in regards to making money).
If someone reached out to you or you got a YouTube generated notice to take down, would it be so bad to just upload with a different but similar song? I am not a lawyer. So take this as only educated opinions on the matter. I think you know what to do.
- I'm reaching out to the folks as we speak - I was interested in thoughts from folks here and these are all great points for sure... Thanks for taking your time.antimotion
- Shellie, if you don't mind me asking - what artist do you manage? And is it for bookings or more like promo/visual type stuff...?antimotion
- Reason I ask - I'm possibly meeting a music artist and am thinking about how to approach as far as what I can do...I'm an art director/animator, but have...antimotion
- a marketing background with a possible connection to help with social plan, etc...antimotion
- I'm a manager for one. A tour manager for some. Once a corporate label lackey. So I'm familiar with the ins and outs of master and publishing expoitation.shellie
- I personally don't see the need for any musical artist to put a visual art director on a permenant payroll or ever give up a %.shellie
- u are not a connected publicist which is what they'd expect if ur providing "marketing" so I wouldn't pretend u are that. Publicists will handle social strategyshellie
- Per project you can pitch on visuals with treatments and a budget. They can buy it or not. If you haven't worked on a successful music launch b4, do not chargeshellie
- ...Ppl for you to figure it out.shellie
- Again, great advice - I used work in mktg entertainment for a pretty cool disto company in nyc, but way diff now.antimotion
- Definitely have to collab with someone more familiar for sure. I absolutely appreciate the feedback for real! Thanks!antimotion
- shapesalad0
- or for a 1 min showreel, you could try GarageBand and throw a few loops together. or this: https://www.looplabs…shapesalad
- Thanks - a buddy of mine actually did some tunes for me, but I may have to speak somewhere, so wanted the energy from an old tune I dig...antimotion
- The reel wouldn't be shown anywhere else, but I don't like to mess with folks art - just didn't know the logistics after seeing other reels use material..antimotion