Apple letter about FBI
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- autoflavour1
its an interesting read, im sure its pissing the FBI off no end
- they will give cancer to Tim Cook as they did with Steve Jobs if he doesn't comply********
- they will give cancer to Tim Cook as they did with Steve Jobs if he doesn't comply
- cannonball19782
While I applaud the intention, I'm not sure why this is necessary. You can't compel a company to invent something that does not exist yet.
- incent what? a backdoor?fadein11
- invent a version of iOS, only for that phone, that allows brute force entry, simple passcodes and an encryption keymonospaced
- ^ I didn't really think the issue was that it was hard to do at all - more the precedent it set - as if Apple couldn't bang that out in 24hours?fadein11
- I agree, it's probably not hard to do, but it opens up a whole shitstorm of evil possibilities that Apple isn't comfortable with, as it risks consumer trustmonospaced
- Totally agree also. Also think that letter is clever PR (or necessary PR) - they know they are going to have to do it.fadein11
- It's certainly PR, and necessary PR, but it's also something they take very seriously. They know the power of public outrage too.monospaced
- Good for them for standing their ground. They are going to get steam rolled up the ass but w/e, they have made their point********
- section_0142
The FBI, CIA, or government can demand whatever they want. Even if Apple would comply and build a backdoor, someone can still write an application that encrypts data. There's nothing they can do about it.
Encryption algorithms exist already. No one can make it magically go away.
- ernexbcn0
@cannonball1978 they can release an update that allows what the FBI is asking them to do and they are refusing to do it.
- yep - I don't think he read it.fadein11
- They can provide an update, but they won't because it doesn't exist. The FBI can't demand that you create anything.cannonball1978
- fyoucher10
TLDR: Apple's just asking what we think about backdoor action
- Apple has always been clear about their stance regarding users privacy, contrary to other companies that make a living out of users privacyernexbcn
- ^ Make a living from users who have chosen to relinquish their privacy which has nothing to do with the issue here.fadein11
- It seems that nobody cares so much about backdoor actionIanbolton
- mekk1
In all gratitude for Apple - other spying agencies catch, decrypt, read and store your personal data directly from your connection, not your personal hardware.
It's nice from Apple that they don't want to see their hardware open but that doesn't help at all. It's just marketing in my opinion.
- It's not JUST marketing, but this open letter is definitely marketing. There is no other reason to involve the court of public opinion.nb
- they catch it in the air while it's happening, after that they need to get to the device itself.ESKEMA
- ^ why would you need the target device for data you already get while transmitting?mekk
- To legally substantiate things so fingers can get pointed and DOD money can flow freely towards nation building efforts. Or, so to make the search and siezure p********
- Process go more smoothly, whichever explanation suits you********
- formed0
Apple is just covering their asses. If they open this phone, assuming it is possible, then they'll be getting requests every minute to do it. Where is that line drawn?
You can see it in movies "Don't you want to save lives? This guy could be a terrorist with a nuclear bomb! And his gf, and then this guy he talks to over in Europe and this other guy...all connected, we MUST have access!"
Then there's China and other nations that already control information, they'll be demanding access to everything.
I don't know where I fall in agreeing/disagreeing, I see how this will be a slippery slope, there's no avoiding that if the flood gate is opened. On the other hand, saving lives is pretty important, so anything that could provide details would help.
I wonder what would happen if Apple tried to unlock it and accidentally erased all the data.
- utopian0
Allahu Akbar
- utopian0
As if Apple does not already share, dispose and dispense iPhone users information!
- I know I say this at the risk of being further labeled some kind of rabid fanboy, but Apple is actually more respectful of your info than its competitorsmonospaced
- not what they are known for @utopian, it's actually more like the contrary, unlike for say, Googleernexbcn
- prophetone1
Say what you want about Apple, yes they are obligated to get make their position on this issue public, yes this makes them look good - I applaud them still.
But clearly this issue is bigger than Apple, it will affect everyone who lives in a modern society. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this will only get worse as the world gets more complicated.
I mean, I suppose with a few exceptions aside, it's really only about the powers that be demanding complete, unfettered access and outright control of your personal freedoms and right to privacy in an effort to 'protect' your personal freedoms and right to privacy.
What could possibly go wrong with that?
- Many are now calling Apple... terrorist sympathizers and supports.utopian
- Yes, expected, a typical human reaction. 50% will agree and 50% will not. What will those #s look like tho if suddenly everyone loses their rights/freedoms?prophetone
- Hayoth-5
If this doesnt make the case for small govt then i just dont understand the logic of people anymore.
4th amandment of the US Constitution.
- _niko0
interested to see what the republitards think about this, on one hand it's a victory against big government but on the other hand, terrorists win!
- Agreed...but Google "Apple terrorist sympathizers" there is your answer.utopian
- Isn't it obvious that the gay CEO is in bed with terrorists? Ugh, sheeplemonospaced
- Dude, the President can ask the justice department to stand down. It won't. The expansion of government is party agnostic.zenmasterfoo
- monospaced1
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they can already access tons of phone/message/data information already via the phone company. What exactly on the phone would getting into it actually uncover that they don't already know? I really have no idea.
- via stingrayJeremyhead
- most communication apps encrypt data before being sentaliastime
- ********0
JOHN MCAFEE: I'll decrypt the San Bernardino phone free of charge so Apple doesn't need to place a back door on its product
- For an up charge I'll kill a couple people for the FBI too.kona
- hah interesting, good luck, a monumental challengeprophetone
- http://cdni.wired.co…utopian
- monospaced0
This whole fbi demand is stupid. Not sure why apple doesn't just take the phone in, unlock it and hand it back to the fbi. That way they don't need to hand over the skeleton key for cracking every iPhone out there. Seems like a simple and obvious solution that doesn't risk the public.
- Because it doesn't exist now and the moment it does no one will be able to trust Apple product securityprophetone
- it would set them back years in security advances and trust building and could ultimately cost them billions in future lossesprophetone
- also, once it exists do you think uncle sam will be all cool and never demand it again? they will make a case that they must have itprophetone
- and that case could be made via a national security argumentprophetone
- it's a pandora's box that will rain down nerd fire and brimstone on the tech worldprophetone
- Yeah, I was just trying to find a middle ground between handing over the skeleton key forever and flat out refusing. I actually am not for it.monospaced
