Selling a flash site
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- vaxorcist0
high budget or low budget?
If high budget, do the whole "ny post" idea, where you do create a flash site and an iOS app..... using whatever framework you can find, and/or bill for a few months of boondogle....
if low budget, punt.....
- ifeltdave0
the reality is if you don't know right away what to tell the client to sell them on a flash site, perhaps it doesn't have to be a flash site.
The benefits of using flash are obvious, and can be found just about anywhere, from penetration (hehe) rates, to things like detailed animation, fx, etc. If those points don't get the client to agree, then either pass on the project, or learn some css / javascript :)
- monolith0
yes.. the point is that HTML is good for sites that are really full of information and require a lot of reading and organizing text (like news sites, magazines, e-commerce sites etc etc) with visuals that are mostly static where you can get away with some JQuery here and there if you need some basic and limited animation or effects like fade in and out and slides.
But if you are building a brand experience, more complex animations, special effects and stuff like that, like others have said, then you go Flash.
If it's latter, then you show comps and say that if they need the site to stand out, to be creative without conforming to a specific way of doing it, with complete control over layout, fonts etc you build the desktop site in Flash and then you just take your Flash site and you optimize it to fit 1024x768 (btw the key here is that when you build it for a desktop you already make it fit 1024x768 to save time), and you just do additional build with some slight optimization in code and you publish native app through AIR and you tell them that you can basically export the same experience to Android and Blackberry.
If they really want to have a site for IPad, you just charge them extra for iOS optimized version of the site that will be kind of a fallback and simplified and more static version of the whole experience people on desktops can enjoy. That other version doesn't have to suck but the reality is that any animations with HTML5 on iOS (even iPad2) are just awful. They are slow and replicating the full experience you can do in flash is fool's errand.
Honestly, this is how people should build sites. You take advantage of BEST quality a platform can give you. While on mobile, the best quality is native apps, on desktop, for immersive experiences it's flash, if the site is one of the informational ones I mentioned above, you just do it all in HTML.
Either way as vaxorcist says, just make money bro. Sell both versions. It's a great time to do this work because the market is so young and great that you can make a lot of money doing it now. Flash, HTML/JS/CSS, or native, doesn't matter.
- ********0
If you want to sell a Flash site these days, you have to sell them at half the price.
- ********0
How about Flash 5.5?
- formed0
As mentioned a bunch of times, sell both. If they won't pay, then say you can slap up a simple HTML site for iPads. Generally, websites are so cumbersome on an iPad (let alone smartphones) you only want basic images/text anyway.
- yohannes0
In fact, flash, can work on IPad, but the best option is alternative content for the devices do not support flash. http://code.google.com/p/swfobje…
- NONEIS0
I'm so tired of people saying "HTML5!!!" – when what they really should be saying is "JAVASCRIPT!!!"
- <<<<orpkoobcam2
- Yeah but that takes longer to spellfyoucher1
- tOki0
Recently built a site which is flash and canvas combined. The result? A full flash desktop experience with all the frills that works in a plainer but equally functional way (with importantly the same design) on ipads and the like. Parts of the navigation are in HTML as is some of the content, the site has transitions, animations etc..
All it takes is the right attitude and some clever coding to make it all work together :) We avoided essentially having to build 2 sites by doing it this way.
- cannonball19780
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ANYone worth their salt would TOTALLY sell it as an "experience".
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- 23kon0
Break into clients office.
Steal iPad.
He/She is NO LONGER an iPad owner.Now build the site in Flash.
- Easy!
- animatedgif0
There is some fucking TERRIBLE advice in this thread.
Flash site and HTML backup? You fucking kidding me in 2011?
If the client has an iPad then just make a good HTML site (Doesn't even have to be "HTML5") Why on earth would it need to be Flash anyway in this day and age? Surely we're beyond shit flying all over the screen on websites.
- ********0
flashy clientsss
- Hombre_Lobo0
the last I heard is 1% internet traffic is on ios.
Tell him that.
- Hombre_Lobo0
But of course the bigger question is that, are you sure a flash is the appropriate tool for the job? Why does it need to be flash? If its all animated and stuff then fair enough.
- ahli0
I would agree, that you have to bite the bullet and produce a js/HTML5 version.
I would be surprised if you cant achieve the same site doing it this way.
- chrisRG0
as said before, it only depends on the target audience.
if your client is as narrow minded as some posts above, then you're in trouble, just do the HTML and avoid trouble.it's your job to decide for the best tech for each site, that's why your client is asking you for the job.
most big agencies still doing Flash works, iOS rate is ~1% of the web access, but it is ~99% of the buzz on the media.
- animatedgif0
Bet after all this it turns out to be a fucking restaurant site or something.
- orpkoobcam20
Give them a discount.