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have you ever felt like you are so great at bullshit that it becomes magic?
Both lies and bullshit can either be true or false but bullshitters aim primarily to impress and persuade their audiences, and in general are unconcerned with the truth or falsehood of their statements (it is because of this that Frankfurt concedes that "the bullshitter is faking things", but that "this does not necessarily mean he gets them wrong"). While liars need to know the truth to better conceal it, bullshitters, interested solely in advancing their own agendas, have no use for the truth. Thus, Frankfurt claims, "...bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are" (Frankfurt 61).
see this link to witness the expert of magical bullshit: michael bierut
is this how all great design is made? by accident?
You jump to conclusions too fast. Of course all great design is not bullshit.
- Apple might be the ultimate peddler of "magic" bullshit.monospaced
- yes. but im starting a conversation here!shade
- And I'm part of it.monospaced
A lot of great innovations can be explained as magical in the same way. Some one stumbles upon a great idea, or creates something new by accident. It's magic in a sense that it wasn't planned.
I don't know how talking shit gets you anywhere except in the company of others who talk shit.
Beirut claims straight out that he is a designer because he likes to solve problems, not because he is creative or needs to express himself personally through art. That's not bullshit, it's honesty and many of us do the same thing. Great design can't be all about the creator.
me head hurtz
Bierut is fucking brilliant!! I'm saying that his process is magical in a way that also makes him seem like he didn't even do it... like it happened by accident. When he discusses the origins of the design it feels like bullshit but I think he knows what he intended to do all along. Its almost like he knows that he is a genius but he can't just walk into the room and plop a finished product on the table... he pretends to work it out while he knows the answer from the beginning.
- You really think he's pretending? He's been doing it for so long that he has his own process. Carry on.monospaced
... but like the whole time he is genuine and affable. Its magic.
I think the NWS identity is very nice, and has some great thinking behind it. I'd say it was the opposite of bs. He's just explaining his thought process. Real bs, is someone just making something look nice for no reason
i don't think design comes from socioopathy, no
you never know what route or spark of random madness will get birth to the right Idea. They made a mark that works for the client and audience and that's what matters. the problem comes from trying to explain a design choices without showing the depth of the process/research that simulated the idea.
Ideas come from your imagination and trying to explain how your imagination works will always sound like bullshit, unless your idea is the equivalent of designing a graphic of a hamburger for a fast food joint. But that would just make your design bullshit.
lets forget the bullshit aspect of the original post. I'm just jealous of the ease with which Bierut explains the act of creation.
Do you think ideas are magical? Is it the job of a designer to translate ideas to the real world? Are designers magicians?
- No, dude, ideas come working.Miesfan
So nobody will admit to using BS to survive a presentation? Do you actually know how your idea will function in the real world??
Is it okay sometimes just because it is simple and it looks good? Does there always need to be a reason?
Is there no magic in the design world? :(
There is a whole chapter about this matter in this book