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- jaytuom0
They're not as bad as all that. I've dealt with a few (never websites though) and in my experience they do have trouble relinquishing control, but they're not unreasonable. You just need to keep reminding them why they hired you and didn't do it themselves.
- formed0
As an architect that owns a graphic/web/3D business...
um, to put some apparent misnomers to rest:
I am designing some floor plans for a personal project right now (Autocad is open on this computer)...so not sure where you got the idea 'they don't call them plans' ideaArchitect's hire engineers, so any idea that we/they do any of the actual mathematical calculations is erroneous. Anyone telling you otherwise, with a few exceptions, is full of bs.
I'll skip all the insults, as I have seen far more incompetent people in the graphic world than in the architecture world (architect's, generally speaking, have a pretty grueling school, mine was 7 years for undergrad and grad, graphics are far, far less intensive - neither is better than another, of course)
That said, I'll acknowledge that they can be overly controlling and nit picking details (we work with tons, mostly for 3D, but also for some graphics/web).
You just need to make it clear, in a pleasant way, why you are a graphic/web pro and offer respect for their creative expertise. Some, sadly, think they can design anything and that couldn't be farther from the truth, but you run into this everywhere (like joe shmoe being able to design a house). Oh, and most architect's, like most graphics and most creative professionals, do suck ;-)
Ideas:
www.snoarc.no (great site, great architect's, I wanna say Bleed did their graphics/web)
http://siteinspire.net/showcase/…
I'll try to dig some up later.
- Exactly my point last page stated better.TheBlueOne
- I thought they were called drawings - as plans are for "builders"?meffid
- Great input, thanks.meffid
- 'plans' are 'plans', 'elevations' are 'elevations', 'drawings' would be all the above (and more)formed
- Miesfan0
^ Can you imagine this the world of design?!!!!!
- Miesfan0
Think that Peter Zumthor and Herzog&deMeuron haven't it...
- airey0
good luck.
they are fucking nightmares. many seem to believe that they are masters of the entire artistic and design realms.
- raf0
A friend of mine, an architect, "makes websites" occasionally on the side. He started with wanting to know he could make a website and then he got some clients for that.
He uses Flash only and things like 3D rendered animations for navigation.
- Miesfan0
One year, and then this
http://www.alzugaray.com/- 1 years then "no thanks" and this...http://www.dp...Aper
- Samush0
I'm just finishing a site for an architect, but he's my brother so it's different.
Incidentally he's looking for a part 1 placement (so technically he's not a properly qualified architect)
- TheBlueOne0
I've been working on a site for an architect for 6mos now about to wrap it up.
The guy is Swiss-German and his one thing he said off the bat was: " I don't want it cold. Everything is this technical fonts and geomtetric. I want warmth."
Then he handed me his business card which was two shades of brown set with Times New Roman and said "Like this..."
Sigh. But the guy actually has been a pleasure to work with in general except his unbending desire to put up literally everything he's done over the last twenty years. "Is it really important on this restaurant facade renovation you did in 1981 to have 30 pictures?" I ask. "Absolutely!" the client says.
But having spent ten years working with architects from the construction management side they don't intimidate me. And I'll tell you dazzle them back with your knowledge of webdesign and they'll respect you a bit more. One thing I said during the pitch and during follow up meetings was that web design is different than architecture - imagine if everyone who potentially could come along and look at your building would see it differently? And then I started to passionately discuss html5 and typekit and whatever for about five minutes about the changes, and how Iwish the web would have something like the AIA for standards (I don't really wish this, but it sounded good). And then he showed me an example site of a another firm that is obviously done in Flash, that he says "well this looks the same"..and I noticed he had an iphone and I said, "Well, look at it there..." and minutes later of course he couldn't see anything and I said "How often do you look on the internet on your iphone?" "All the time.." "And you will never be able to see that firms site there."
Essentially architects thrive on commanding knowledge of alot of detail and ego (and little relation to real world costs), hit 'em back with your own knowledge and ego with web design and be passionate and authorative about it. They'll respect it.
- Good insightmeffid
- lol about 30 pictures.... :-))Miesfan
- Yeah...good thing I priced it correctly...TheBlueOne
- neue75_bold0
"yeah, those renders look great!"
- < get used to saying it without even looking at them..neue75_bold
- Yolo0
just don't bother
- neue75_bold0
that said, as far as clients go, they can hold their own at the pub...
- Their office managers tend to be cute and good to go, too.Continuity
- skref0
raf and mydo doth speaketh the truth.
In my experience, after working with two different architect clients and speaking with another it boils down to them being designers and believing they know best. Which is a shame really. I'm sure if they worked with interior designers in their buildings they'd be exactly the same.
- neue75_bold0
they prefer to use "+" instead of "&"
- and 'partners'Continuity
- ... "in collaboration with"...neue75_bold
- Continuity0
Also be prepared for them to try to tell you how to do your job. They have a nasty tendency of figuring that because they design structures that look like they could fall over with the slightest breath of wind, that they're also branding experts.
- meffid0
STIGMA!
- mydo0
- mydo0
- neue75_bold0
good luck mate...