Internet Explorer 9
- Started 15 years ago
- Last post 11 years ago
- 46 Responses
- jpea0
the HTML5 spec hasn't even been finished, so I think it's smart to not implement it all until it is. That's the reason why Firefox only supports the ogg video format for HTML5 and Safari/Chrome only support h.264. Jumping the gun may only get one spec pushed over another due to popularity, not by being the best tech for the job.
- ukit0
You know, on the bright side, I think we can expect IE market share to decline more dramatically than it has in the past over the next few years. According to these guys, http://www.netmarketshare.com/re… IE's browser market share is dropped 7 points in one year (68% to 61%). And that's before this:
"From today, people running Microsoft's Windows operating system will be presented with a screen asking them to choose which web browser they would like to use. Computer users will be able to choose between 12 different browsers, ranging from well-known browsers such as Internet Explorer, Firefox and Opera, to some more obscure software, such as K-meleon and Sleipnir.
Microsoft was forced to introduce the browser "ballot box" following a ruling by the European Commission that Microsoft's practice of pre-installing Internet Explorer on every new computer was anti-competitive."
If I'm understanding this right, that would eventually affect the entire EU - 300 million internet users (vs 200 million in the U.S.).
The other big factor is Google Chrome. You always had IE competitors, but they were companies like Mozilla or Opera that no one outside of the tech community knew about. Google on the other hand has the web's largest distribution platform in the form of their search engine as well as YouTube, Gmail, etc. And you probably noticed they have just now started advertising Chrome on those sites after testing it for a year.
- detritus0
I don't know about the rest of the world, but both Google and MS have mounted extensive advertising campaigns across traditional media here in the UK.
I still get slightly weirded out, seeing Chrome billboards whilst waiting for the Tube. I think I preferred the old days, when such things were the preseve of the arcane.
- ernexbcn0
Microsoft sat on their asses with IE after they killed Netscape, it's unbelievable a company with so much talent has such a shitty browser.
- ETM0
Crap programmers use so much of the IE 'code' for internal apps that they have to keep supporting so far back and compromise current releases.
I can give a great example of a big company using IE as a crutch for their shitty software they sell to the public and that is Intuit financial software. Their software is basically a giant local website and is used broadly by accounting firms and small to mid-size business. Every time you upgrade windows or IE it just breaks because of that.
- lol, that's microsoft intrinsic programming workflow********
- It shouldn't be done for anything but small time apps and freeware.ETM
- Its why I.T. depts are so scared to update Windows or IE and cause security issues for everyone.ETM
- another huge one is SAP software. worst piece of shit ever created.jpea
- lol, that's microsoft intrinsic programming workflow
- ukit0
This guy ran a DIY poll suggesting the EU browser ballot could lead to a large number of people switching.
- zarkonite0
More in depth coverage
- ukit0
^ I don't get it though. They say Acid test doesn't matter because " there are different degrees of supporting a standard." Then they show the example of round corners with a dotted outline, and that in webkit the dots are a bit off. It's awesome the IE9 will finally support rounded, but is rendering a dotted outline really all that important in the grand scheme of things? More important to me would be that both browsers support rounded corners.
If implementation of a standard varies slightly between browsers, that doesn't strike me as a very good excuse for just refusing to implement new features at all. Maybe the truth is that IE is making up for lost time in terms of their decision to support these features, and they are still a ways behind the other guys.
- raf0
"As a matter of fact, IE9′s support for CSS3 visual styling is so poor that the results are shocking. Firefox, Chrome and Safari can render graphically rich interfaces using the sophisticated features of CSS3. IE9 does, well, rounded corners. That’s why I’m saying: IE9 is the IE6 of CSS3. Repeat that a few times until it sinks in because if you do Web development, you’re going to have to deal with it."
IE9 is the IE6 of CSS3
http://css3wizardry.com/2010/08/…
- MrT0
That's the 9 lives up, time to properly dIE now please.
- ernexbcn0
@Mojo we are talking about browsers, not which company is more evil or bad. Your post is moronic.
- ********0
I don't want to have to buy Windows 7 to run IE9.
- raf0
If this isn't an opportunity to get rid of IE, I don't know when there's going to be one. The only way to kill IE is to stop supporting it, or – when supporting – inform of alternatives.
The most heard excuse to keep IE6 alive was "some people in corporations aren't allowed to upgrade".
Seriously... who cares? People in corporations should not be browsing the web at work. They can keep their IEs and use them for their lame intranets.
- ukit0
People not upgrading from XP is going to be the big roadblock in moving the web forward...
Just wait, the media will figure this out and be all over the story in about a year
- ItTango0
Honestly... MS has the brain trust to build anything they want. Ability is not an issue.
But when your goal is to "design something for everyone", which is what MS believes they are doing, the best you will ever achieve is mediocrity.
- raf0
Microsoft has a different approach to projects from companies that are now getting ahead. Google or Apple have small teams and every team manager has technical background and experience, thus understands the projects better.
Microsoft's solution to get a stalled project done is very army-like: "throw more people on it".
Apple's "Remote" app for the iPhone was reportedly written by one programmer.
- acescence0
microsoft didn't achieve market dominance by writing good software, i'm not convinced they're capable.
- janne760
mojo you should learn to read better. damnit, why are you like this?
- ukit0
Having consulted at Microsoft for a couple months, it's a lot like the world described in one of Kafka's novels...