Vendetta against Jobs...
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- kult0
dMull, Flash is great for a lot more than "very specific" shit.
Don't forget that Flash is FAR more than just a format. It's an entire content creation system. It's an IDE. An animation tool. It's a package and environment firmly rooted in an entire industry.
Everyone is forgetting some major issues here. HTML5 is simply a standard. It has ZERO bearing on quality control or implementation.
Think of how much of a headache it is ensuring cross-compatibility in non Flash experiences. It's a nightmare already for developers. Now compound it with all of the "bells and whistles" that people are prematurely assigning to HTML5, and you've got a clusterfuck.
Playing embedded videos, for example, now falls upon the individual browsers to implement. Do you actually think Safari, Firefox, IE, Chrome (etc) are all going to use the exact same video-implementation method? Nope. They're all going to render video their own way - you know, the behind the scenes shit. HTML5 standard has nothing to do with a browser's internal ability to execute and render. Meanwhile, Flash for most intents and purposes, runs exactly the same no matter where its embedded. That's the beauty, and the point of it. No squabbling to create a basic tween animation that works exactly the same on 3 browsers.
HTML5, for all intents and purposes, hasn't even left the ground yet. Fuck, people are still bitching about IE6! And even when it does, rigth now there is zero industry-standard content creation software that will enable programmers, animators, designers, and hybrids to develop robust experiences as well as Flash does. It's going to take a LOT to move this shit forward.
MUCH more than an iPhone and iPad.
At 99% penetration, Flash is so far from dead that this debate becomes laughable.
Also, I'd just like to mention that anyone who thinks "annoying ads" will go by the wayside if Flash does -- you've got another thing coming. Try thinking this through. If HTML5 can 'replace' Flash, then it can fuck adspace up just as well. Read up on Canvas alone.
Changing toolsets & environments carries with it any of your current biases against Flash.
- BusterBoy0
@nb First of all, as a corporation Apple is legally bound to withhold or limit technologies if they believe it to increase profits for shareholders. So don't expect any favours.
huh? Bulldust. They're not legally bound to do any such thing. The Apple board can do whatever they like within the law...if their profits shrink, the board is held accountable, but not by the law.
- monospaced0
I'm assuming there is a phone out there that does support Flash. Otherwise the nerd elite wouldn't be endlessly bitching and moaning about it. If there isn't such a phone, what's all the fuss about the iPhone not supporting it?
- What phone does support Flash? I really don't know.monospaced
- See down a few posts.tOki
- dbloc0
crApple
- monospaced0
I'll answer my own question; wasn't hard to find the answer.
http://it-chuiko.com/computers/2…
- GeorgesII0
Still the Ipad is a useless piece of junk if we can't pron on it,
I'm already getting ready to be the first to produce a fully html5 xhamster
http://camendesign.com/code/vide…
- _niko0
scary and funny, but mostly scary
- refunktion0
who gives a shit... flash sucks.
- oh wait... i mean it rules.refunktion
- really ? i think it sucksspraycan
- yeah, no it was a joke... i hate it.refunktion
- inv0
I suppose apple needs to open up for silverlight and all the other shitty browser plugins then...
- tOki0
The document below lists 360 mobile phones that support flash lite in some way:
- obsolete0
I wonder if adobe just discontinued photoshop for the Mac....
- spraycan0
this is why Jobs doesnt want Flash :
- spraycan0
another reasons:
- spraycan0
we dont want dirty adds on every fucking page !!
- vaxorcist0
This may help flash....
it could go back to being a niche application, used where it's good, and not used as a blanket solution to stuff it's totally inappropriate for... like re-inventing the browser features badly....i.e. creating a back button and linkable URLs in a pure-flash site, etc... and/or of course the ads and intros and weirdly confusing user-interfaces some designers cook up, or perfectly kerning type for the anal-retentive print designer who doesn't get the web...
so... niche -> Flash can do some interesting motion graphics, kiosk apps, web games, stand-alone RIA's,etc....
- vaxorcist0
This may help flash....
it could go back to being a niche application, used where it's good, and not used as a blanket solution to stuff it's totally inappropriate for... like re-inventing the browser features badly....i.e. creating a back button and linkable URLs in a pure-flash site, etc... and/or of course the ads and intros and weirdly confusing user-interfaces some designers cook up, or perfectly kerning type for the anal-retentive print designer who doesn't get the web...
so... niche -> Flash can do some interesting motion graphics, kiosk apps, web games, stand-alone RIA's,etc....
- TheFatBaron0
DrBombay - not one of the HTML5 video players is as good as, say, the Hulu player. Hulu (running as a single browser app through Fluid.app) uses about 80% of one CPU core. It runs smoothly.
Running the Sublime (HTML5 + JS) video player the same way? 165% CPU usage, and it stutters all to hell when you try to use the interface.
- but this should be fixed over time right. Same with anything newerikjonsson
- Except it's supposedly better "now"TheFatBaron
- ideaist0
So any ideas on how to tell Mr. Jobs and Apple in general that we DEMAND progress on flash support rather than just wishin', hopin' and prayin'!?
Their has to be some way because we have all collectively created the internet over the years, design and development wise at least. Designer strike?
; )