justified type + tracking rivers

  • Started 15 years ago
  • Last post 15 years ago
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  • jimzyk

    When working with large columns of justified type with horrible line breaks — how much do you generally adjust your tracking to avoid rivers?

    I mean, is there a max or a minimum you track words by (without it beginning to look really poor). I know it really depends on the typeface used, width of the column and leading, but just wondering what everyone thinks is the best approach to deal with rivers in type?

  • Amicus0

    i use minimal hyphenation to help.

    are you working in InDesign?

    • no no, i just use microsoft word.
      its great!
      jimzyk
    • haha, jk! yeah indesign and i try use minimal hyphenation too.jimzyk
  • comicsans0

    Caveat, I do not know about current the newspaper/magazine industry, I suspect they have effective software based on Donald Knuth's work but that it is very expensive.

    This is a very difficult problem to automate. Experienced typesetters do it by eye and take a whole paragraph - or even page - view. The simplistic "line stuffing" approach used by most software will only do a good job by accident. Unless you take a whole paragraph approach (e.g. be prepared to add space on one line if it reduces, or evens out, spacing elsewhere) then strategic use of hypenation helps, a lot. Avoiding long paragraphs and long words helps too.

    Note also that manual typesetters can do their job because the text is fixed, change the text and the justification decisions change also. Note also that most people are so used to crappy software justification that providing you avoid the more obvious rivers then people will just not notice.

    If you want to do a *good* job the best approach is don't justify on a computer unless you have software specifically designed for the purpose, but if you had that you wouldn't ask the question.

    If you must justify text on a computer then use short paragraphs and short words and set the wording in stone then be prepared to spend hours fiddling with discretionary hyphens and inter-word spacing to get, at best, a poor result which a manual typesetter would sneer at.

    This is long, sorry I must be bored.

    • InDesign seems to capable of doing a good job.comicsans
    • sigh, line 1 "the current"comicsans
  • monospaced0

    Yeah...letterspacing is set around 85% minimum and 133% maximum. You can even set your word spacing to be a little tighter for justification, but I wouldn't suggest ever making it larger.

  • jimzyk0

    cool, thanks chaps, any other typofreaks want to share their thoughts?

  • ESKEMA0

    http://www.theindesigner.com/blo…

    watch this screencast. might help you.

  • ********
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    use minimal hyphenation and set it manually... depending on the typeface, indesign does a good job. But if you want it to be good you have to do it by eye after as well

  • boobs0

    As a designer, at some point you need to ask yourself, "what's so bad about rivers?" You know, think outside the box for a change.

    • Maybe really huge rivers all over the place could be your style?boobs
    • i like it boobs, you have spunkjimzyk