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- visual_infection0
Ok, so I haven't read the whole thread. But, I have skimmed and I really think my favorite part is the beginning where GeorgesII is basically trying to take the whole country of America to task by posing those questions.
Unfortunately, the whole population of America isn't made up of like-minded thinkers. We all do have our own opinion. Some of us have tried to stop the war, or at least point out why we shouldn't be there.
GeorgesII, this isn't like some science-fiction movie where the whole race of alien invaders shares the hateful, war-mongering ideals of our leaders.
This is probably the first, and last time I am going to call someone out on an internet forum. But seriously, unless you are trying to bait someone into an overemotional, unrational respnse in the name of comedy, why don't you shut the hell up and do some reaserch first.
Or at least have the class to not do it on the anniversary of probably the most horrific attack many of us have seen, or will ever (hopefully) see in our lifetimes.
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- exactly...blame a whole country.
The statement was incendiary trolling or borderline actual retardationmarychain
- exactly...blame a whole country.
- zman0
"Shock and Awe" remember that? Blitzkrieg Americano style. And you know I'm not pointing fingers or anything its just terrible.
- I just liked working "Shock and Awe" into every day vernacular.visual_infection
- I don't like the terms at all. In context its like using "rape" and "holocaust" casuallyzman
- I never thought about it like that. I am now sorry and feel bad for doing so.visual_infection
- ;] don't take it personallyzman
- zman0
ONe think I'm not too impressed by is how the international community seems to be avoiding the discussion and responisblilty around Afghanistan.
- fooler20
"close to a million Iraqis dead"?
I thought it was more like 100k according to http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
- those are civilians, they don't count the "insurgents"
GeorgesII - more people dying on the streets from starvation and in prisons. 50,000 Iraqis were hung in abu ghraib. the #s add up.zman
- 50,000 people were hung in abu ghraib, really? that would be news to the world, if it were at all true.********
- it was said by guards and its not news because its been buried and basically no one wants to believe itzman
- there's numerous cases of mass murder and executions at the hands of US/UK forces I doubt are countedzman
- not to mention mercenary forces killing peoplezman
- those are civilians, they don't count the "insurgents"
- GeorgesII0
sorry for the negative friday thread but I was reading this and the dynamic was eerie similar to 9/11
Maybe in 40 years the truth will come out,
http://afp.google.com/article/AL…- and? I guess you haven't studied too much history.TheBlueOne
- Meditation is time consuming.harlequino
- ********0
Europeans have very little room to make any comments about anything America does, because take what we do, multiply it by 1000, then you might get close to the fucked up shit going on in Europe during most of last century.
Especially coming from someone who must have be 12 years old, because they are a bit clueless about the events of the past decade.
A history lesson:
America sent special forces to Afghanistan to assist the Northern Alliance depose the Talaban in October of 2001. This was to disrupt the Al-Qaeda network, who attacked Washington and New York on September 11th, 8 years ago today. During the attack Osama bin laden slipped into the tribal areas of Pakistan, and we have not been able apprehend him there, fearing destabilizing a nuclear armed state.Bush sardonically exploited fears of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction to Invade Iraq in 2003, (9-3=6, btw). For a history of this, and how it was indeed a total clusterfuck, visit the film "no end in sight". The website http://www.iraqbodycount.org currently holds the tally for total deaths as a result of the war at 101,539, not half a million.
- Corvo20
All I know is that 15% of SPAM comes from America.
- boomking0
For anyone that's interested...
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How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death.
Narrated by Sean PennWar Made Easy reaches into the Orwellian memory hole to expose a 50-year pattern of government deception and media spin that has dragged the United States into one war after another from Vietnam to Iraq. Narrated by actor and activist Sean Penn, the film exhumes remarkable archival footage of official distortion and exaggeration from LBJ to George W. Bush, revealing in stunning detail how the American news media have uncritically disseminated the pro-war messages of successive presidential administrations.
War Made Easy gives special attention to parallels between the Vietnam war and the war in Iraq. Guided by media critic Norman Solomon’s meticulous research and tough-minded analysis, the film presents disturbing examples of propaganda and media complicity from the present alongside rare footage of political leaders and leading journalists from the past, including Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, dissident Senator Wayne Morse, and news correspondents Walter Cronkite and Morley Safer.
Norman Solomon’s work has been praised by the Los Angeles Times as “brutally persuasive” and essential “for those who would like greater context with their bitter morning coffee.” This film now offers a chance to see that context on the screen.
- serious_cat0
POLITICS THREAD!!!!
EVERYONE GET OUT OF HERE!!
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- < and ^ it's these kinds of prescient global perspectives that I wish people could discuss then the window dressingharlequino
- "rather" than the...harlequino
- ********0
I don't care if you hate Mahjer or not. But Micheal Ware is brilliant and knows what's up. He seems smarter than all of our generals put together.
