Pantone Question
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- Gucci
In Illustrator and Indesign, I can never find the colour book that doesn't have an extension on it - for example - PANTONE 1665.
I can, however, find PANTONE 1665 C, etc.
I know the what the different extension mean, but where can I find a plug-in for Illy and ID that allows me to get those colours?
Am I making sense... has anyone encountered this issue?
Hold me....
- Amicus0
It doesn't really matter which version you use for your files if you are printing spot colours. Just make sure you specify the correct one when you order your print.
- Gucci0
You'd think so... but I'm dealing with a numbnuts of a printer that is requesting spot colours instead of CMYK and seeing as she can't handle making a file .125 larger on one side, I'm trying to spoon feed her this too.
- umm that numbnut printer is probably doing you a huge favour by requesting pantones.horton
- horton0
why do you not want the extensions.. ? solid coated (PMS 000 C) are best for general use.
- +1pylon
- only for coated papersmonospaced
- the coated ink swatches are commonly used for reference in screenprinting and other manufacturing because the swatch is most true to formulahorton
- swatch is most true to formula.... no shift like the uncoated swatcheshorton
- magnificent_ruin0
it's just a name, you can name the colors anything you want
- you can mix the color yourself and make it spot and call it PMS 1665magnificent_ruin
- monospaced0
Because PMS 1665 C is different from PMS 1665 U.
For example, PMS 639 U is closest to PMS 7461 C.
Pick from the book that is best suited to your printing conditions (Coated, Uncoated, etc).
- Gucci0
thanks for the advice guys.
The shift from PANTONE 1665 to PANTONE 1665 C on screen is huge - so I was a little skeptical. My instinct was to go with the coated versions of the colour seeing as it's going to go on a coated stock anyway - and your suggestions confirmed it. Thanks.
- You should be selecting the colors based on what you see in the selector. The screen is not a good measure.Josev
- C means coated, U means uncoated. The CMYK values behind both of those should be the same. The change is to approximate on screen how it will look on the selected print surface.Josev
- approximate on screen how it will look on the selected print surface.Josev
- CMYK will NOT create an accurate PMS color, since most don't fall within its gamut.monospaced
- I didnt say that CMYK will create an accurate PMS color. I said the CMYK values behind both C and U Pantone colors would be the same.Josev
- would be the same. The printer probably was correct in suggesting that he use a true spot color, oranges (PMS 1665) are some of the most difficult colors to match using CMYK.Josev
- are one of the most difficult range of colors to match using CMYK.Josev
- Gucci0
horton: the style guide I was working from (and the subsequent files that came with it) specify spot colours without the extension on them. That's why I was looking for those and Illustrator and Indesign don't have colour books without extensions on them.
- ah ok... style guide designer probably named their own swatches.horton
- assume coatedmonospaced
- monospaced0
don't trust your screen at all, mostly because it cannot reproduce all of the PMS colors.
- +1. even if your screen is calibrated you need to know how to set up the proof correctly.stewart
- d_rek0
screen = poo poo
- monospaced0
print = skeet skeet
- Amicus0
How many colours are you printing Gucci?
If you are printing CMYK giving the printer Pantones is asking for trouble unless you are very lucky!
- monospaced0
Printing CMYK and specifying PMS colors is not asking for trouble! I've sent out tons of 5, 6 and 7 color jobs with no issues.
- Gucci0
They're asking ME for Pantone colours to be in the document. Why? I don't know. It's going to be printed 4 colour. As of now, I've washed my hands of this mess. They were supposed to have this done 2 weeks ago (when the files were a "rush") and now they can lick my schweaty balls if they ask me for more files - or... pay me to do it over.
- i usually give them pantone chips
(hard copy) to match if they are going to be so "a_a_"
(fill in the blank-ha0
alicetheblue
- i usually give them pantone chips
- monospaced0
Ask the client how many PMS colors—in addition to CMYK—they've budgeted for. Their reply will answer a lot of questions about how to set up the file. You're the designer, and you should be able to select or recommend a paper stock (if you're printing on paper) when the job goes to the printer.
On another note, I highly advice getting comfortable with the Pantone System and learn how it is used. It's an expected knowledge in the world of print. Go ahead and start replacing colors with some PMS colors in your document. Good luck.
- magnificent_ruin0
for your own visualization convenience, adjust the color on your screen to look like the chip, and name it the same as the chip so the printer knows which ink to use
- just read that it's 4 color--never mind. I would never use pms colors in a 4 color docmagnificent_ruin
- monospaced0
I hope you were being sarcastic; adjusting the screen to match a chip is absolutely ridiculous, and far from convenient.
Simply naming the color will work, but it's best to create actual Spot Colors and select PMS colors (from printed chips, ideally) accordingly.