Batman: The Dark Knight
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- babaganush0
It fucking rocks...yeah bits were a little shaky ( the mobile phone stuff, I thought would do your fucking head in and confuse you more than help you!! over egged I thought). But all in all completely captivating - and for a long movie with visual effects that's something.
- ********0
I've decided I don't really rate No Country for Old Men.
It kind of goes nowhere, for no reason. I take nothing from it.
- but it feels like it wants to go somewhere, AND have reason. But it doesn't.********
- Me too - I was so disappointed when I finally saw it a couple of weeks ago. First half hour is gorgeous though.detritus
- I mean, what the fuck was the point of the movie? I don't mean in the sense of some American moral lesson..detritus
- ..just, why? Why? Why any of it?detritus
- i can do movies without a plot - but this wasn't trying to do this.********
- I love it. I was put into a bleak nihilistic world where i was forced to find my own meaning. LIngered in my mindkuzzAAAAM
- but it feels like it wants to go somewhere, AND have reason. But it doesn't.
- babaganush0
There will be blood should have won best picture - will endure longer imho ( both good though)
- v3nt0
Gotham city was like a 'still being built' canary wharf or high rise Milton Keens!
It as a few hours of good entertainment - but nothing more!
"I'm gonna make this pencil disappear" — man with make-up
- ********0
Have not seen the film, but I am not to sure where, No Country for Old Men, come in to it?
- babaganush0
About half-way through - really fucks the plot up
- kuzzAAAAM0
Hi kelpie,
I think, as far as the "joker" has been dark for ages, yes this is true, he's always been a psychopath.
But you have to remember that Heath's joker is a semi-original creation - his mouth is like that cos he got a Glasgow smile - whilst the previous joker fell into a vat of acid. In the comics the clown makeup is PERMANENT. In the new version, however, it is implied that EVERYTHING about the joker's face, he has done to himself. This is not how any of the comics portray him. The result is a much more twisted lunatic, borrowing, i would say, from movies like Saw:
This is where the "traditional" Joker and Nolan's re-interpretation of the joker differ. This crucial difference sets the tone of dementia which is borrowed heavily from such films as Saw.
This is accentuated in the "implied" horror of his antics. Again we must look to the difference between interpretation of the Jokers pschoticness in previous verions and the modern joker. For one, in Jack Nicholson's time (resolutely a "dark" imagining of the character) his tricks and antics involved poisoning the city's water supply and massacring crowds at a parade. It was blunt, obvious, and "evil".
This joker, however, is different. He is more interested in the psychology of horror. He uses examples of psycho-sadistic games that the nutter in Saw was so fond of. For example that scene in Saw where that woman has a bomb on her face and the only way to deactivate it is to rip open her boyfriends stomach to get out the key. We see everal examples of this including the two boat crews who have the detonator to bomb each other up, as well as the chick and dude strapped to chair ready to explode both knowing one will die etc.
Second of all, the VISUALS of the cold blue flourescent lighting etc, video taping and the lingering on the pain is an influence on a whole slew of modern gore-fests. Stylistically/aesthetically etc.
It is what a modern audience expects in a truly diabolical villain.
Also, there are several reasons why i preferred the first film. Crucially i was totally engrossed in the whole "making of a hero" story. The various aspects of Batman that led him from being a vulnerable child to a beast of a super-hero was thrilling. Mainly this. But as they're both basically action films, it's all a much of a muchness.
Thanks kelpie, i enjoy disagreeing with you on cinematic literaryness. I hope we have more of these
- SAW was shite and already VERY derivative of past films. Why do people think it was so ground breaking?ETM
- babaganush0
I hope not...a paragraph would do.
- ********0
i can't believe you think Saw is even remotely note worthy Kuz.
Shame on you.
- yes, but it's "relevant" lol!! ;) ;) ;) lol lol lolkuzzAAAAM
- Jnr_Madison0
I've heard a rumour about the next film some of you might be interested in.
- >>>> spoilerJnr_Madison
- It's called batman 3.Jnr_Madison
- Heath Ledger will not be resurrected to play the role of the Joker.detritus
- poor taste, detritus. poor taste!_salisae_
- tis a shame, cuz if he were I might go see it.Point5
- babaganush0
I think it's just about plausability - nothing to do with Saw. Both devices the film makers have used to make it feel contemporary and suspend disbelief
- instrmntl0
just watched it on imax, shite its awesome.
- PromotionalUseOnly0
stop saying saw
- SkyPoo0
I watched Dark Knight and thought it was okay, a passable investment of my time, but unmemorable and ultimately un-moving.
I thought the Joker was okay, but he didn't scare me, freak me out, alarm me, undermine cinematic convention, touch a darker nerve, cause me to confront any taboos or anything at all. Neither did he entertain me.... I found The Joker insipid, one dimensional, a plot cog even. He just turns up, and A, B and C just pop onto screen as required. When the villains meet round the table to discuss, he just pops up, easy, and they allow him to, easy, and he leaves with what he wants, easy, and it was all too easy for my liking.
"Unconvincing but wacthable" was my conclusion.
- honest0
My favourite line was: "You complete me..."
- This is a very original line that has never been said in a movie before.CygnusZero4
- PromotionalUseOnly0
stop saying easy
- Sep0
MICHAEL CAINE
I've thought of an excellent alibi for when you're in Hong Kong, Mr. Bale.
CHRISTIAN BALE
Does it involve me taking an entire ballet troupe to a yacht from which I will mysteriously disappear, arousing a great deal of suspicion?
MICHAEL CAINE
Sure does!(CHRISTIAN grabs her in midair, allowing MAGGIE to avoid landing on the PAVEMENT by landing safely on a CAR instead.)
MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL
Thanks for catching me, but how are we going to resolve the issue of Heath still terrorizing your party guests upstairs?
BAT-BALE
Maybe if we awkwardly cut to the next scene, nobody will notice that we accidentally lost some pages of the screenplay.AARON ECKHART
Nonetheless, I'm concerned for your safety. Who can we trust?
MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL
I can go to Christian Bale's penthouse. It's the safest place in Chicago right now.
AARON ECKHART
The place where I almost got killed by Heath Ledger and you got thrown out of a window? Maybe you should hide on some subway tracks instead.AARON ECKHART
You asshole, why did you kill my girlfriend?
HEATH LEDGER
I'm an agent of chaos. I just do things.
AARON ECKHART
Wow, that's some sophisticated characterization there. As soon as I get out of these surprisingly strong bandages, I'm going to kill you!
HEATH LEDGER
Look, you don't want to kill me for murdering her. You want to kill everyone else for failing to stop me from murdering her!
AARON ECKHART
That doesn't make any sense at all.
HEATH LEDGER
And yet, it's going to be your main character motivation for the rest of the movie. Now make with the murder, Sir Skins-A-Lot.Full abridged script on: http://www.the-editing-room.com/…
Got a few laughs out of me!
- PromotionalUseOnly0
i saw it in vegas on the day of release at around 10 in the morning... saw the imax version which blew me away... can see a lot of the comparisons with Michael Mann, but don't think the cinematography is quite as unique, in the way Mann uses digital to pick up extra detail at night... but things like the bank heist shout out his influence...
Would like Mann to shoot on iMax though, and wish Nolan had a bit of a more eclectic score, as a lot of it was the same old Hans Zimmer stuff, and inturn a lot of it was reworks to the 'batman begins' which I guess makes sense
- PromotionalUseOnly0
stop saying AARON