Ableton Compression
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- 23kon
Ableton Compression & Mastering
anyone else using ableton here.
what do you use for final mixdowns of tunes?
looking for something to create a tightly compressed sound like daft punk/justice, you get the idea.
- KwesiJ0
see side chaining ...
and fm radio compression...
http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_d…
radio compression uses a combo of things to get a 'loud' sound, mess with the stuff in the 'mastering & helper' presets they're really great and you'll be able to mold a decent sound, don't over do it, keep your levels lowish to let the master bus compressions take over and just experiment
- 23kon0
KwesiJ cheers for the response.
i know about sidechaining to get the sort of sound thats cut by the bassdrum, thats just one track of the song though.
or do you mean sidechaining the final song to the beat?also ive read that article about the compression that daft punk use and have searched high and low for vst plugins etc that allow FM RADIO COMPRESSION and theres nothing!
know of anything?
- kelpie0
my brother writes techno and swears by something called "silent kick compression" or something like that to get that sound. I dare say you can research it, I don't think it's just applying a blanket compressor to the tune though...
- 23kon0
kelpie
that sounds like sidechain compression.you use a sidechain compressor to duplicate the kickdrum track and route it through a constant bass-sound, this will then cut the bass sound to silence (or just less) when the kick happens.
both a kickdrum and a bassline fight for the same frequencies so this helps to seperate the two so they are never played at the same time. it strengthens both.
plus the effect can make even the mundaness of holding down one note into a beast of a track lol
- kelpie0
sounds about right. I was playing with this app the other day btw, its wicked...
- 23kon0
ableton is a truly amazing piece of software.
really userfriendly.
i switched to it about 3 years ago after having used cubase for years.i never read manuals and thats my only downfall with this kind of stuff, i learn by trial and error hehe.
the best art/music comes from chaos though :)
- 23kon0
Three articles here worth a read
http://www.blacklistedmastering.…
sounds like the guy knows his shit, read the "about" section etc
- Meeklo0
you have to have a reference that you can play through the same monitors, grab the track from daft, justice that you liked, hopefully from CD. play it, then switch to your mix down, play it, analize both and start messing with the eqs, there is no magic plug in, you will be surprised on how most dance music producers can make hits with very little. I think having a reference track is the way to go.
good luck!
- KwesiJ0
side chaining makes it tight and punchy, gives it a bit of punch normally just with a track or two then added with a master really pumps it up. it keeps everything related, the kcik and bass pump together.
'FM radio compression' is what actual radio stations use to compress the songs they broadcast, its the 'LISTEN TO ME!' sound. its heavy compression, a combo of multiband, tape boost, stereo spatialisation,...basically all the stuff in the mastering racks in live used in some freaky daftpunk way and really short and loud. thats what they're known for is over the top mastering compression like FM radio where everything is 'loud'. there's a 'multiband hard techno' rack in live, cut the low end too
http://createdigitalmusic.com/20…
read this and the comments, you'll see the difference in how songs are mastered and why. one thing i've learned is to know your tunes and the sound you want more than the technical details or how specifically some else does it.
- acescence0
brick-wall limiter
- Gejius0
Waves RComp & L2 ultramaximizer.