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  • GreedoLives0

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    1) Reduces patient incentives to find the best possible prices for the best possible services/products available.
    Patients in the U.S. who receive "free" (taxpayer-funded) health care have no incentive to conserve their health care dollars. Care is "free" so they visit the doctor's office several times a month or request "free" prescriptions for over-the-counter medication such as Tylenol.

    2) Reduces physician incentives to provide competitive care and reduces drug companies' incentives to provide new drugs and treatments.
    With no incentive to provide quality care, physicians and nurses leave the government-monopolized area for better opportunities in a freer country. Shortages result. Drug companies are hindered by price controls and regulations and soon cease research and development of new medication. In the U.S., start-up drug companies cannot afford to run the FDA gauntlet, so the market is dominated by a few established corporations.

    3) Steals from your wallet to pay for my health care.
    Yes, you do have a right to health care, just as you have a right to food, shelter and property. However, you have no "right" to force others to provide these things for you - All "free" medical care is subsidized through taxes stolen from other people.

    4) The quality of "free" health care will deteriorate and the average citizen will get sicker.
    As the poor and middle-class wait in agony for simple procedures, those with resources can travel to other countries for treatment.

    5) Destroys your privacy.
    Suddenly your problems are mine and mine are yours. If you eat unhealthy foods or drive a motorcycle without a helmet, I have a direct interest in your business - you are going to see a provider on my tax dollars. Your neighbors might support government bans on smoking, "unsafe" sex or other "risky" behaviors to reduce costs. Politicians will use the federal bureaucracy to force you and your family to comply with programs such as the "New Freedom Commission on Mental Health".

    6) Destroys your liberty.
    When you blindly support a system that bestows power on politicians and bureaucrats, they will receive their orders from those with the most money - and this will not be you, your friends or your family. The power of government will be used against you as you are forced to use medicines or accept treatments from well-connected health care companies.

    • I don't know where you got all that from but I think almost all of it is garbage.5timuli
    • Is that some sort of Republican memo sent out to trick their voters into giving them more money?5timuli
  • locustsloth0

    While i agree that government run healthcare is a potential nightmare, leaving it completely to a capitalist free-market would only encourage insurance companies to reap bigger profits. Health care isn't like other consumer products, not even food. If need be you can live on bread and peanut butter for a long time. There is no cheap work-around for a heart attack or broken limb or cancer. The insurance companies will have no reason to lower prices because they don't have to be competitive. Illness and calamity will drive their customers to them.

    And feel free to call me a socialist (or worse) but what's so bad about looking out for one another? Yes, there are bound to be abuses (as there is in every strucure that envolves humans), but is it really necessary to cut off people i need for the reprobates who abuse the system?

    In conclusion, i don't have an answer, just a clear vision that neither of these solutions are even close to perfect

  • ukit0

    Since none of us really know shit about the issue, why not ask the doctors?

    http://www.commondreams.org/arch…

    Doctors Support Universal Health Care: Survey
    by Maggie Fox

    WASHINGTON - More than half of U.S. doctors now favor switching to a national health care plan and fewer than a third oppose the idea, according to a survey published on Monday.0401 06

    The survey suggests that opinions have changed substantially since the last survey in 2002 and as the country debates serious changes to the health care system.

    Of more than 2,000 doctors surveyed, 59 percent said they support legislation to establish a national health insurance program, while 32 percent said they opposed it, researchers reported in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.

    The 2002 survey found that 49 percent of physicians supported national health insurance and 40 percent opposed it.

    “Many claim to speak for physicians and represent their views. We asked doctors directly and found that, contrary to conventional wisdom, most doctors support national health insurance,” said Dr. Aaron Carroll of the Indiana University School of Medicine, who led the study.

    “As doctors, we find that our patients suffer because of increasing deductibles, co-payments, and restrictions on patient care,” said Dr. Ronald Ackermann, who worked on the study with Carroll. “More and more, physicians are turning to national health insurance as a solution to this problem.”

    PATCHWORK

    The United States has no single organized health care system. Instead it relies on a patchwork of insurance provided by the federal and state governments to the elderly, poor, disabled and to some children, along with private insurance and employer-sponsored plans.

    Many other countries have national plans, including Britain, France and Canada, and several studies have shown the United States spends more per capita on health care, without achieving better results for patients.

    An estimated 47 million people have no insurance coverage at all, meaning they must pay out of their pockets for health care or skip it.

    Contenders in the election for president in November all have proposed various changes, but none of the major party candidates has called for a fully national health plan.

    Insurance companies, retailers and other employers have joined forces with unions and other interest groups to propose their own plans.

    “Across the board, more physicians feel that our fragmented and for-profit insurance system is obstructing good patient care, and a majority now support national insurance as the remedy,” Ackermann said in a statement.

    The Indiana survey found that 83 percent of psychiatrists, 69 percent of emergency medicine specialists, 65 percent of pediatricians, 64 percent of internists, 60 percent of family physicians and 55 percent of general surgeons favor a national health insurance plan.

    The researchers said they believe the survey was representative of the 800,000 U.S. medical doctors.

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    • I would lose my shit if I had to say thank you that many times
      "thank you, sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up"
      Ramanisky2
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  • emukid0

    "Sen. Hillary Clinton will officially end her campaign for the presidency by the end of the week, multiple sources tell CNN. "

  • mg330

    This is great:

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/ne…

    That does not even look like her! Total PS job.