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- doesnotexist
is there an easy way to convert uncoated to coated pms values?
- PonyBoy0
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... if i'm understanding your Q right...
i believe in adobe apps... (illy for sure)... you have both uncoated and coated palette options (I assume you're talking about PMS tones here)...
... and also note... it doesn't matter really - if you set up your file correctly (for the appropriate amount of colors)... then it'll be up to the printer to get the inks right.
Specific colors on your computer really don't mean shit if the printer opens the wrong can...
... my point is there is no need to 'convert' palettes...
- detritus0
If you're in Illy, just list your Pantone Swatches by name, stick them side by side, then swap manually. Or am i missing something?
- acescence0
as long as you're referencing the swatch book for your colors, it doesn't matter if you spec coated or uncoated, just matters what the printer prints it on!
- horton0
If you're in Illy, just list your Pantone Swatches by name, stick them side by side, then swap manually. Or am i missing something?
detritus
(Oct 18 07, 07:20)yes but you should note that the illy uncoted and coated CMYK values are exact same.
if you really want to select your colors correct for uncoated papers you need to refer to an uncoated swatchbook. some colors have mega shift... greens very much.
- detritus0
Are the colour differences between U & C not down to light reflection from the gloss, though? For instance, if I turn out all the lights and flick through my Pantone books, all the greens from both series are exactly the same.
That is to say, black.
Strangely - I think we've been on the U vs C green pantone swatch issue before, Horton.
Nairn.
- doesnotexist0
this is for a style guide, so as of now im just visually doing it with 2 pantone swatch books.
sometimes the numbers aren't the same color though from uncoated to coated I'm finding.
- wunderbra0
coated vs uncoated is mostly an emulation on your computer to reflect the inks appearance on either coated or uncoated paper. hence the values are the same, just leave the colors as they are and ask your printer to use coated paper.
- gramme0
as long as you're referencing the swatch book for your colors, it doesn't matter if you spec coated or uncoated, just matters what the printer prints it on!
acescence
(Oct 18 07, 07:23)Just be aware about the brightness/finish/coating or lack thereof affects the color.
Always ask for drawdowns from your printer for ink matching, before going on press, so that if/when you show up for a press check, there are no surprises at least in the realm of color.
You might wanna tweak the PMS colors anyway. We often specify things like "375 green with a touch more blue" or "403.5 gray". The Pantone books are still very limited IMHO. Some color ranges have huge leaps from one shade to another. If you flip through a swatchbook, it isn't very consistent.
- detritus0
"The Pantone books are still very limited IMHO."
Have you heard of Goe?
http://www.pantone.com/pages/pan…
- horton0
k some odd advice here..
but all i gotta say is (for example) 375C and 375U are the exact same cmyk values in illy and the exact same ink parts in pantone, BUT printed on the the 2 stocks they are def not the same color.
- gramme0
Have you heard of Goe?
www.pantone.com/pages/...
detritus
(Oct 18 07, 07:37)!!!!!
*sends link to our entire office
thanks!
- PonyBoy0
k some odd advice here..
but all i gotta say is (for example) 375C and 375U are the exact same cmyk values in illy and the exact same ink parts in pantone, BUT printed on the the 2 stocks they are def not the same color.
horton
(Oct 18 07, 07:43)
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that has everything to do with the color of the paper... and nothing to do w/your on-screen values...... on-screen values are a visual representation only... do NOT judge color on-screen ever unless you're building for something RGB (tv, web etc)...
... if you need to see how a color is going to print on a certain stock - contact the paper company... they've got samples up to a point...
... the printer will also have samples of work they've printed...
... getting color right on the 'right' stock is a talent in itself... you should really be speaking to your printer / press men who work the physical color on the presses...
... never judge printed work on-screen... you'll be disappointed. :)
- PonyBoy0
and remember that you have a mad variety of varnishes and additional coating that only your printer can share with you (as they all have their own techniques and products they feel work better)...
... also the type of paper (outside of color) is important to keep in mind... certain grades of paper absorb more ink than others...
... again... you gotta go sit down w/your printer and tell him/her what it is you're looking to achieve.
- horton0
k ponyboy what are you talking about.
pantone colors are all based on white paper.
color of paper does not even enter the equation.
the shift between coated and uncoated has to do with the way the paper absorbs different pigments.
- horton0
as with all pantone question on the PVN this one has gone way off the mark..
Q:
is there an easy way to convert uncoated to coated pms values?
doesnotexist
(Oct 18 07, 07:17)A:
when building a style guide (for print), refer to both uncoated and coated swatchbooks. if there's big shift, spec a different pantone# for uncoated/coated.
i usually use coated as primary reference and uncoated as secondary because the coated swatches are generally more accurate.
- PonyBoy0
that's pretty much what I said... isn't it horton?
diff. paper absorbs diff. inks differently...
... talk to your paper provider and your pressmen if you want your color right...
... all I said above is that there are multiple factors in getting color right...
... on-screen values don't really mean anything to the designer... but more-so to the pre-production press folx who need to calculate all that stuff to output the product you're looking for..
... to get your color right... let your printer manage the values... you just need to find examples and be verbally/visually clear what you're looking for w/your pressmen/printer... cuz that's where it counts... not on screen.
on-screen pantone values don't really provide anything but a label and quick visual representation to designers...
... it's the pressmen/prepress folx who should be getting your color right in the end... or at least guiding your in setting things up correctly digitally.
- detritus0
Lots of ...s there, PonyBoy.
You know what that means, don't you? Yessirrah! It's that magical time of day again...
*tokes.. chilllls
Nairn
- PonyBoy0
it's only 9:16am here...
... but you'll be happy to know that I just called my pressmen and paper people and they all agree it's definitely 'that magical time of day' as you say, Nairn. :)
btw... what up w/the new name and the old label? :)
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Nairndetritus
(Oct 18 07, 08:20)
---I'm SO CONFUSED!!!
- detritus0
I am not allowed to speak on such things, I'm afraid, PonyBoy. Suffice to say, it is not my preference.
ach't, so fuck.
*tokes wearily and in earnest
- PonyBoy0
well... congrats on your 23rd and 24th responses having weed references in them... :)
... also... welcome to NT, newb!!!
tehehe
... and don't go gettin' this new name banzored!!!!!
I kinda like it.