these f*kers
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- moogoo
How many of you have designed for a friend or friend of a friend, friend of a family member etc?
An how many of those fuckers not only overworked and underpaid you but frustrated the shit out of you and made the entire experience hellish?
what especially kills me is when they know nothing about design but have convinced themself that they know more than you.
trifling f*kers.
- -scarabin-0
we've all been there
favors suck balls everytime
- moogoo0
i guess the solution is to refer them to other designers. it seems to be workin out that way becasue they havent swindled any of them yet.
- -kappa-0
Always the way...Never work for friends.
We need to come up with a T&C that we can all use that has to be signed by the client/friend if we're to go ahead any future work.
My mates rates for friends invites, posters design work is a Bottle of Grey Goose Vodka.
I've since become an alcoholic, and am over the ball breaking requests...
- slappy0
I have had some work through friends that has been an absolue pleasure and others that have turned out crap. You take the good with the bad I suppose.
- dijitaq0
i never accept projects from friends anymore...
i hate it when they say "why can you do it for cheap... you should help me out your my friend"
why can't they be the one helping me out since they're my friend hehe
- SanderF0
Make a contract...
0. let them make a brief
(50% gets stuck here - end of assignment)1. two or three sketches
2. two correction rounds
3. done...Or you keep it this strict, or don't do it..
- rafalski0
0. let them make a brief
(50% gets stuck here - end of assignment)SanderF
(Sep 3 07, 04:26)A brief or at least hand you 100% of content before you start.
- Crouwel0
explain them.
for instance, when it comes to design for web, most people don't have a clue, it all looks simple for them, yet it takes a lot of work and time in testing and fighting IE's flaws.
First you curse and blame them, but as you grow and learn you will come to see things differently.
To not blame them, but look at yourself., IN the end it is always (sorry to be so harsh) your own responsibility.a.) decide upfront if you want to take the job at all or not
b. ) make contracts/agreements (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
c. ) never do any work you did not agree on before the client has been informed about the extra costs said work will bring
d. ) if you are good, you will also have some self esteem, and be brave enough to say no, or tell them the truth, in terms of costs etc.
e. ) ALWAYS be gentle and constructive, even when shit hits the fan < this is the hardest, but oh so important.g'luck..
- Witt0
working with friends has been a devastating ill-lucked experience for me. so far.
- Crouwel0
also be wary of clients that try to become friends with you. i've had this on a few occasions, and some of those were not really intending to be "friends"..
- Jaline0
Most don't want to pay me.
- moogoo0
the grey goose idea is funny :)
but ive decided to just not work for friends at all... unless they are another designer.
thx for the stories and advice peeps :)
- Crouwel0
as if I'd say to a hooker, my niece will do it for less.
- uncle_helv0
When it comes to mates I haven't had a smooth project yet! and I have certainly in one case had more hassle via emails and phone calls, than an actual proper (paying) client! I also recently got the classic "I'll sort you out with a few beers" so I gave him about £9 worth of effort. If my friend was a mechanic, and fixed my car I would pay him, simple!
My advice is unless it is for you cute (distant) cousin then don't do it!
- Witt0
i only had a nice project so far. it was a book cover. did it from start to end with no hassle in a few days/hours.
nobody nags your butt if you're doing a cover or a few spreads - but everybody is so savvy about websites it's completely heart-breaking.
- doesnotexist0
yes, my worst experience was for a friend of the family doing a website. total fucking nightmare.