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- pascii
young designers today - giant muzzle, "just don't listen" and 0 % ability to take over responsibility for themselfs or their work. i feel like a kindergardennanny here.
fortunately for them, society becomes stupider, then the request for jobs are lower in the future.
- ian0
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- pascii0
i am working with 3 designers, all about 20 to 24, great guys, but their work - when i ask for a businesscard or a wineplate - i don't need no goddamn streetart on it and when i say friday 10'o'clock i mean it, an not a phonecall on friday, 9, "i haven't got anything...errr.eehh" this sucks big time.
- pascii0
aaargh
- tank0
hey pascii,
i know what u mean.
we get resumés send here constantly and its all ' very arty'.This is a big problem and its caused by the schools that never learn them working for clients.
but than again, when i graduated 3 years ago i was actually the same...educate them, show graphic design is more than street art and record sleeves ;)
- emecks0
incentivise them.
ie when giving a task such as the business card give them the brief, then tell them the deadline and then throw in "if you miss the deadline I will have to do it for you, if I have to do it I don't need you to work for me." some of them will then also need it spelled out clearer:
"If you don't deliver on time, you lose your job."
simple, tell Brüno I said so.
- pascii0
damn, i understand them - i was somehow the same - but i agree, it's necessary to learn, how to work for clients and understand a briefing. we need more gebrauchsgrafik
- tank0
"If you don't deliver on time, you lose your job."
thats a bit harsh.
i sometimes miss deadlines,
but than again what we do is
open heart surgery eh,
a call to client for more 'research and develop time' and the deadline is fixed ;)
- tank0
true pascii.
i had bitter discussions with ex teachers about this.
but they want to creat a nice between art and grafics.
but when i explain what we do is a craft they just look at me like i'm some kind of retard.
- pascii0
it's ok to miss a deadline, when i know it 2 days in advane - so i can call the client and tell him, it will be an extra day needed, and then, it's all fine : (
- emecks0
it is harsh.
the reason I say that is due to an episode I had last week:
There are 5 of us in our office, last week we had a mad day where we had to make t-shirts for everyone else in the company.
Not a very exciting bit of work, granted, but we were all sweating all afternoon to get them done in time. All of us except one, he had 4 smoke breaks, wandered around the office, made photocopies for his cricket club etc etc etc, in short did anything and everything EXCEPT help out.
I did tell him a few times that he should get his priorities straight and help, did he? did he fuck.
That was on the Thursday, he was no longer required on Friday.
- ian0
Sorry didn't understand the first post but Im gettin it now. Agree with all, theres a huge learning curve when you get out of college and land your first job. Some take to it well and handle the pace, others think that its cool to arse around all day and try to get it done in a hurry before the deadline, much the way they handled projects in college.
Its a lot of hand holding to get graduates up to speed, made worse if its a really hectic studio where people don't have the time to go over things and help em out.
That said, there are some truly lazy gits out there who just want to do the bare minimum to coast by, leaving a shit load of slack for everyone else to pick up.
- pascii0
"I did tell him a few times that he should get his priorities straight and help, did he? did he fuck."
waisting his time in the waiting line
- emecks0
forgot to mention that the cunt wandered in here an hour late, muttered some excuse that no cunt could understand and then followed it up with "to be honest"
I damn near kicked him out there and then.
- chossy0
True pascii I have two people whom I am trying to train but they seem to have utterly no concept of time or of attention to detail, they sort of botch things together and hope I won't see the mistakes.
I can look at them in the eye when I'm telling them things and say I notice your not writting any of this down and they sort of smile and sheepishly begin to write my boss is a cock in their notes no doubt.The thing that bothers me most is I have loads and loads to teach them but I have no interest in passing on any knowledge as they seem to have no interest in doing a good job.!!!
- emecks0
I hear you on that one chossy.
If someone has no interest in learning they're better off not wasting their time and more importantly yours.
- tank0
so weird.
altho i was fired from my first job for being to stubborn...;)
- pascii0
i hate nothing more than explaining the same thing more than 3 times to the same person (who surely, didn't write anything down...)
- tank0
don't you debrief them with a print out?
tsskk, pascii ;)
- pascii0
grrrr : ) RTFB!
