Tackling Terrorists
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- 23kon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr…
did anyone watch this last night?
well done to those two old dudes one 68 and one 72 who gave chase to the terrorists as they escaped off the trains onto the platforms.
amazing cctv footage of the old guys chasing them down the platforms.doesnt say very much for our generation though does it?
- ********0
no it doesn't.
- vespa0
i've wondered about this before and i think the problem is with the crowd mentality in large cities.
you actually have to tell 1 person in particular to do something or else people are temporarily overwhelmed by the numbers of people around them doing nothing and then the moment is lost.
- ********0
I actually did this in my first year of a Psych degree for my social Psych unit.
There is actually a term for this. Its described as the 'Bystander effect'.
- ********0
I'd of had a go.
- monoboy0
We need more heroes like...
- vespa0
you kind of have to be ready at all times for something to happen otherwise you do get sucked in by the weight of the crowd.
i did it myself in a tube station years ago, got to the top of the central line escalator in liverpool street, it was a packed escalator and you couldn't see the top until you were there, we were commuter sausages on Koyaanisqatsi's conveyor belt.
An old man had collapsed at the top and was on his face writhing on the ground. We all kept walking, including myself.
a split second of reaction was required to help the man knowing you had a queue of people behind you that would pile up - as a result everyone walked on. i was really disturbed by my slow reactions.
visibility is so poor in a crowd. that's what these arseholes rely on.
- kelpie0
that article/theory totally rings true bottlerocket...
- ********0
pluralistic ignorance and social loafing...
Make us all sound horrific.
I've mentioned this before - but I witnessed a stabbing on London Bridge station. There were people helping in that case, and there were at least 100 bystanders this being 10pm on a Friday night. Some of these bystanders were station staff.
Why then - was I the ONLY witness who came forward and went to court?
London Transport should be ashamed.
- ********0
There have been lots of studies on the bystander effect.
One I remember was about peoples reaction times to emergency situations. The subject of the experiment was asked to wait in a doctors waiting room, thinking they were there for something else.
The other people in the room were in on the experiment and no matter happened, they all reacted calmly and refused to move.
They started settng of fire alarms, etc and because no -one else in the room reacted, the subject never reacted.
They go o the point oif actually pumping smoke into the room from under one of the doors and still, the subject stayed rooted to his chair.
People will burn to death rather than make a fool of themselves and standing out.
Whenever I hear a fire alarm now, I always leave the building immediately no matter what.
- ********0
I witnessed a boy getting scalped on a curb on saturday night / sunday morning. There were a few of us and although we had seen the guy who did it get up and walk away we decided there was no point putting ourselves forward as witnesses.
First thing a defense lawer would have asked, were you sober / drug free? No.
Did you see the actual assault?
No.
So the victim could have fallen and hit the curb... Yes.
So I phoned an ambulance and fucked off. Rank though, never seen someone with their entire forehead hanging off their face before.
- kelpie0
ouch.
- ********0
Lovely.
I was pissed too, and the defence lawyer had me for breakfast.
- ********0
ouch.
kelpie
(Jul 10 07, 03:50)i know, incosiderate fucker though, i'd spent a fortune on yay that night and it put me on a right whitey.
- Jaline0
This thread is so interesting.
I try to avoid people most of the time (seriously), so I'm kind of afraid of how I would handle something like this. I can only hope that I would be assertive.
- 23kon0
i dont think id physically tackle anybody or give chase in fear of them stopping and turning round brandishing a weapon.
but if i heard someone shout "stop him" and someone came running past, i'd stick a foot out to trip them or something like that.when i was about 16 me and a mate were in dundee making our way to the back of M&S to meet my mum who was giving us a lift home.
we turned the corner to see two skinheads kicking the absolute living f*ck out of two police officers. one of them had the cops head in his grasp and kept ramming it against a wall.
couples were coming out the back of M&S after their shopping to be confronted by this. there were so many guys being held back by their wifes/gfs who wanted to help.
5 mins later a police van arrives full of cops, they all jump out and start kicking the hell out of the skinheads. much to the pleasure and applause of the crowd.
- 23kon0
This thread is so interesting....
Jaline
(Jul 10 07, 04:14)----------
it is eh? i cant believe its been so civil and "high brow"
- meffid0
couple of weeks ago I was out in the puzzle in acton (london) and a couple of polish neo-nazi's were pissed and harrassing the bar staff and patrons, we were basically all aussies and kiwi's and a couple of english people.
the polish kid pushed someone and by then everyone had had enough and kicked the shit out of these 2 kids, no bystander effect here, we all had a go. the police came and no one saw who'd beaten these polish kids up and everyone went quiet. the bar manager even came and said thanks.
fuck neo-nazism. especially arrogant polish knobs.
- meffid0
queens park (london) a homeless raving lunatic pulled a knife if me at the bus stop demanding my cigs and money, slightly stunned before I could respond a guy waiting for the bus came over and starting pushing the homeless guy around and accused him or being a jobless fuck and coming to my rescue. still stunned both my rescuer and I got on the bus... I'd bricked myself so well I never even thought of saying thanks.... I really wish I had now.
- meffid0
it is eh? i cant believe its been so civil and "high brow"
23kon
(Jul 10 07, 04:43)qruise probably isn't out of bed yet.
- ********0
Once about, when I was 16, I was waiting at the bus stop. And it were raining and windy. And there was this old woman struggling to put on her hat – you know the ones that are zipped away in the nape of the neck on some coats. Well I saw she were struggling with the zip, gawd bless her, so I went over and unzipped it and helped her put her hat on.
I didn’t THINK. I just did.