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- vespa0
i think you should go to the agency armed with the finest strongest rice paper you can find, track down the designer responsible, shout a bloodcurdling cry of "THIS IS FOR YOU NORTHHHHH!!" and inflict a perfectly rendered original mill logo upon their forehead in tiny paper cuts.
- mimeartist0
...and made thought do most of their stuff now, and we did the site, and they did their work, and... something
- Baskerville0
thanks guys, I'll give em the benefit of the doubt but I'm not convinced.
interesting how much stuff gets re-appropriated in design, only makes me want to do something completely different.
- neue75_bold0
why? just out of curiosity...
clearly it's more for yourself than for the benefit of others...
- vespa0
it would be different if it was rendered in paper cuts. you could wear a cape and become known as a crack Brand Reinforcement Agent
- vespa0
but seriously originality is always best. this is the law of the creative world.
it's the job of marketeers to feed poo back to consumers quick enough to make them think they are eating food, don't let that be our job too.
- Rand0
I designed the original mill logo, as well as red cross and target
- neue75_bold0
yeah, but sadly people are often more likely to purchase something they feel they already know...
being different has it's place, but often it's at the end of the queue to conformity... and truly, if it's your initial aim at the outset of a project, you're probably ignoring too many more important factors...
yet, I think this is mostly within commercial print design, the web, motion graphics and youth-orinted design arenas definitely desire something 'different' every week...
- 23kon0
as an identity that the public can identify with, i definitely think that the icodesign of the word "mill" works better as it is easier to read.
the-mill version of "mill" to anyone but designers or people who KNEW the name wouldnt even register as letters to most people.
if you hadnt seen it before, i bet if id showed you those lines and asked "what does that say?" you wouldnt have said "mill".
i think you need to KNOW what it says before you realise what it says.nothing wrong with stealing an idea as long as you improve on it.
and ico certainly have in my opinion
- mimeartist0
don't think they ever show it on its own. that'll be the guidelines for you.
- 23kon0
don't think they ever show it on its own. that'll be the guidelines for you.
mimeartist
(Apr 4 07, 07:13)
-------its on its own on the top left of their site!
"The Mill" under it is meant to be "homepage" in the navigation, thats not part of the logo/identity
- mimeartist0
so its shown in a site with lots of work... I'm talking about if it is shown on a tape bag or out of context...
- chossy0
interestingly enough I have loads of masters from the mill in my library and on it's own I had no idea what it meant even when I was signing for tapes from the mill, it took somebody to actually point it out to me like what that bozo kon23 said, after I was shown what it read I actually thikn it is great but before that I didn't even register that it was readable or even a logo.
I only like it because it is clever that is all.
- Dancer0
I don't think it's a rip personally. Liek Mime said there ain't that much to work with. More a coincedence.
On the note of interviews. I have only ever walked away from one (shall remain nameless) but a well known place. Plus a certain bigwig in the industry told a mate of mine that he never had a chance in London cause he turned down a placement at the respective agency.
There are very few gancies that do truly original work Johnson Banks being one. I can only name a handful that sound like they will fulfill your requirements. Either bite the bullet or go it alone....
Gd Lk though and let us know how you do
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- _salisae_0
seems like this conversation comes about once or twice a week. our pool or original work must be down to it's last few evaporations.
when i say original i mean that it doesn't match another design in more than 2 or 3 departments (line, shape, texture, color, font, contrast)
baskerville .. if it bothers you i'd move on. you need to be with designers you respect.
- _salisae_0
this type of work is much easier to do as well so the heads begin to think they can get great quality work in less and less time .. leaving you with no choice but to scan up a logo book .. change a couple of items and turn it in by EOD just to keep your job.
- mimeartist0
never seen it on its own in my 10 years of involvement with the mill... perhaps i was mistaken...
stick think it is one of the best logos out there
- nessdog0
uh-oh