Ableton LIVE 6.0
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- quest76
Any LIVE users on NT?
A friend showed me this program and wow!as a dj i no longer need turntables to do my mixes, and the control i have is mind blowing!!
can anyone point me into the direction of user sites, good books, tutorials i should read up on before diving into this new wonderful program!!
- tomkat0
"as a dj i no longer need turntables to do my mixes"
err.. you always need tuntables to call yourself a DJ, in my oppinion.
but live is a great tool, the live thing as well as a sequencer
I heard the new sampler rocks pretty well.
I have Live5 and can upgrade to 6 for 99$, willl do so soon
- DaveO0
The needing turntables to be a DJ is an archaic way of looking at it I think – like saying you need a pen to be an illustrator.
The ableton live forum on the site is pretty good – I bought live 6 a while ago and have just been using it to "DJ" with...found it better than 5 but I know there's LOADS i'm not looking at.
- HumanMale0
Don't you think walking into your local pub with a laptop to DJ will make you look like a twat?
Tripping up throught the door with with a record bag you can hardly lift is much more genuine.
:)
- indian_pole0
doesnt 'DJ' stand for 'Disk Jockey'?
without the turntables aren't you just a 'Jockey'?
- DaveO0
Tell that to richie hawtin!
I do understand the gripes that people have but it's the way it's all going, vinyl to CD to laptop. It's much better for opening up worlds of new music that's hard to get on vinyl, you spend less on music and the amount of craft and precision you can get with a tool like ableton amazing. Horses for courses, but we'll not be having this conversation in a few years time!
- 23kon0
i use LIVE6 for making music rather than djing.
you get good support and tips on their forums and theyve got some good video tutorial downloads both on their site and on youtube etc.i never ever ever read manuals for things, i just like to get stuck right in there and do stuff via trial and error, THEN if u get stuck, see the manuakl to help you do what you want to do.
It is FACT that the best art and music comes from chaos (not reading manuals).
My opinion on the DJ side of things, i dont mind that everyone is making the switch to using cds or laptops for DJing. I dont really class mixing dance music as a skill much anyway. anyman and his dog can match a 'doof doof doof' beat and tweak cutoff knobs.
'Skilled' DJing , i'd class that as turntablists - looping different breaks (manually with 2 vinyls rather than a sampler!) and scratching and cutting stuff up. Thats REAL skills - and awesome to watch too - rather than some fanny with his "hands in the air" while tweaking a cutoff or resonance knob.
- acescence0
Tell that to richie hawtin!
I do understand the gripes that people have but it's the way it's all going, vinyl to CD to laptop. It's much better for opening up worlds of new music that's hard to get on vinyl, you spend less on music and the amount of craft and precision you can get with a tool like ableton amazing. Horses for courses, but we'll not be having this conversation in a few years time!
DaveO
(Jan 30 07, 05:17)well, the difference is richie hawtin CAN play a killer set with just a pair of turntables. the issue i have will all these young upstarts and their tech no lo gy is the fact that 99% of them have no idea how to program a set and move a crowd, tyhey just know how to put their head down and tweak away. a good dj can rock a crowd with two tired old records, it's all about programming.
- 23kon0
a good dj can rock a crowd with two tired old records, it's all about programming.
acescence
(Jan 30 07, 05:41)
---------------Hand me my two copies of Rush's "Tom Sawyer" and listen to me cut them up on the turntables!
THATS skills!!
- traut0
digital jockey
- quest760
thanks for the input!
- Meeklo0
"as a dj i no longer need turntables to do my mixes"
err.. you always need tuntables to call yourself a DJ, in my oppinion.
tomkat
(Jan 29 07, 23:34)true!
If you are going to be a dj, then you need vinyl. period.If you want to do WAY MORE than just mixing 2 tracks, and actually produce chunes, from scratch, then call yourself a producer, electronic musician, etc. NEVER a dj.
If you are showing at a bar with a laptop just to mix tracks from other people, then people won't respect you.
If you show up with a laptop, a few controllers and start to play live, your own tunes, then that's a different thing..
- acescence0
one major issue i have is that a lot of the larger, and especially older clubs, have sound systems that were EQ'ed for vinyl. playing digital sources on those systems sounds just plain bad. shrill highs and an octave of low end missing. i can usually tell fairly quickly what the source is when listening at high volumes.
- Meeklo0
http://www.thomasdolby.com/media…
no vinyl here...
just remember this, without musicians, there will be no music, and without music, the dj does not exist.
- acescence0
ugh, thomas dolby. i worked for a company that he bought and ran into the ground. i have a special hatred for that man
- Meeklo0
ugh, thomas dolby. i worked for a company that he bought and ran into the ground. i have a special hatred for that man
acescence
(Jan 30 07, 11:33)well you have personal reasons..
we can't do anything about that. ;)I was just trying to illustrate the differences of matching to records and making live electronic music.
- horton0
doesnt 'DJ' stand for 'Disk Jockey'?
without the turntables aren't you just a 'Jockey'?
indian_pole
(Jan 30 07, 04:57)oh geez not this retarded arguement...
just out-dated language. don't let words define what something should and should not be.
the "dj" needs to disappear imho.
- acescence0
yeah, sorry, had to vent.
i know where you're coming from, i began as a musician, and picked up djing about 15 years ago because it was an instant gratification thing. now, or for a while now, i guess, with the technology being much more accessible, it's easier to accomplish what you're hearing in your head and is, for me at least, far more rewarding to create something wholly original than to play with other people's ideas. of course, it can be argued that it's all been done and everything is derivative, so... what was my point again?
- Meeklo0
the "dj" needs to disappear imho.
horton
(Jan 30 07, 11:45)i wouldn't say disappear, the fact that they are treated (and payed) as rockstars is what get me..
people bash when they see a musician on a laptop, but then when the dj play his tunes they are all loving it..
- acescence0
^^ agreed
- DaveO0
Meeklo – I do get it, and totally respect musicians and their art but if you think about it, most music only exists being played by a DJ – and most producers and bands only get recognition through people DJing their records. That's probably a different argument anyway.
A turntablist has a certain skill set – that's fine, but I get insanely angry when people compare all DJing to their zenith mate who was a D&B DJ back in the day when music "meant something"...like the people who say "if you can't scratch then you're not a DJ". I played vinyl for 8 out of the 10 years I've been DJing and just got fed up with it being so expensive – and also fed up of getting fresher music on MP3 or CD and not being able to mix it because a venue doesn't have industry standard CDJs. The whole dub plate thing is bullshit now anyway – when you get MP3s with the word 'mastered'; after the file name, THAT's fresh – it's never left a computer.
The fact is, DJing with a laptop requires a different skill set. It's harder to scratch than to work ableton and that's fine by me. It still takes a lot of thought and skill to find music and put it together in an order that's going to be right for the situation – and that's what a DJ does.
Rant over!