No Evolution No Way
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- Seff0
I take solice in not knowing the correct spelling thank you very much
- flagellum0
Moneycide, did you read the article??? Evidently no.
A cursory study of these regimes reveals an explicitly atheistic/materialistic ideology driving their violence.
- harlequino0
this one is good too
www.birddogindustries.... [mp3]
Seff
(Jan 10 07, 07:43)Dude, that song is possessed by a demon or somethng. Sounds all wacky.
- bolus0
of course not, but i'm still trying to find out how one can believe id-theory and be a christian at the same time
- flagellum0
no it wouldn't because mrdobs wouldn't cite actual data, gabriel. And there are scores of other articles which demonstrates the religion kills canard. I chose to list one. Deal with the data. Again... ad hominem.
- version30
then to use it as part of an insult was just...
- Antonelli0
nah, we're not animals
we're special. how can anyone NOT believe in evolution? it's just a response to your surroundings. How is it possible to stay the same???!
Some dude here talking about "19th century" Darwin babble. Right, right... like a 2000 year old book is sooo much better.
I'm really surprised that there are still people who live in the 21st century that believe in a "god"... who watches us individually, and for every single minute on every single day, and who really cares about what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home.
What a crock. I'm so sick of this shit. And people die over it. Over nothing. THERE'S NOTHING UP THERE YOU GUYS!!!
- Seff0
save it
- M0NEYCIDE0
just read it thanks and that was basically my arguement
- mrdobolina0
give it a rest.
- gabriel20
yes, it would because that was not an unbiased list of facts. It's an article written to further an idea held by the author.
- flagellum0
utter nonsense.
- version30
;) i was just saying...
*puts in pocket for later
- mrdobolina0
The problem with this critique is that it exaggerates the crimes attributed to religion, while ignoring the greater crimes of secular fanaticism. The best example of religious persecution in America is the Salem witch trials. How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually, fewer than 25. Yet the event still haunts the liberal imagination.
THE LIBERAL IMAGINATION?
No agenda or POV expressed in that article, just cold hard facts, right?
- Seff0
got a new one
http://www.birddogindustries.com…
- Brookoioioi0
The creationist argument is a complete logical fallacy, it's the ultimate skyhook. To postulate a solution that is more complex than the problem doesn't solve anything. It just regresses the problem back one stage. Who or what created the creator? Or did it come about by a process like natural selection, which does have the power to create complex living creatures from simple beginnings.
- Brookoioioi0
yes, it would because that was not an unbiased list of facts. It's an article written to further an idea held by the author.
gabriel2
(Jan 10 07, 12:54)The same goes for all creationist literature, thats why its so easily dismissed.
- flagellum0
mrdobs: since you're not wearing your critical thinking cap again. I'll help you by listing some of the key points of the article:
- The best example of religious persecution in America is the Salem witch trials. How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually, fewer than 25.
- It is strange to witness the passion with which some secular figures rail against the misdeeds of the Crusaders and Inquisitors more than 500 years ago. The number sentenced to death by the Spanish Inquisition appears to be about 10,000. Some historians contend that an additional 100,000 died in jail due to malnutrition or illness.
- In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.
- Moreover, many of the conflicts that are counted as "religious wars" were not fought over religion. They were mainly fought over rival claims to territory and power. Can the wars between England and France be called religious wars because the English were Protestants and the French were Catholics? Hardly.
- In other words, while the Tigers see themselves as combatants in a secular political struggle, Harris detects a religious motive because these people happen to be Hindu and surely there must be some underlying religious craziness that explains their fanaticism.
- In particular, the moral teachings of Jesus provide no support for - indeed they stand as a stern rebuke to - the historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity.
- Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.
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Now, just for giggles, look what atheist Pol Pot did alone:
- Mimio0
Somebody just read "The God Delusion".
Great book and a great argument.
- Mimio0
I fail to see how state religions or ideologies don't fall under the irrational faith category, that's what they are. Also, anyone who calaims Nazism was atheistic hasn't read a single Hitler speech or writing.