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- RustyBadge
anyone know any good tutorials / books etc to learn .net?
- madirish0
not trying to be a dick (despite what para will tell you), but why would you want to? it is easily the most backwards-pointed scripting language for the internets today. wait- i got it; that is what the existing projects are in?
to e honest, this goes along with the whole MS proprietary mindset- the best place to learn is to take their courses.
again, not trying to be a dick.
- seed0
It seems like a large number of midsize projects in the US are choosing .NET. Could be worthwhile in that sense.
madirish, what do you prefer?
- madirish0
hey seed. i agree w/ you.... but also feel the vast majority of those decisions are based on a pre-existing 1) network architecture, 2) contractual obligations making an MS solution sound most efficient. these are done (IMO) from the position of cost basis, rather than a system, needs, data basis.
for what we are calling a 'midsize' project, i cannot see a better solution than either php or python from my expereince. specifically python as it's range, flexibility, and power is unmatched. now, php is very robust as well, no doubt, but when/if the need is to integrate w/ legacy and/or 3rd party vendors and their DB's, python is unmatched. this can also be rolled over into online application development (if the future of the dev sees that) and connecting with other systems outside the org.
truly though, any developer that says OS tech cannot match a .net solution is full of shite. they are a dyed-in-the-wool M$ head if that is the case and have drunk the kool-aid.... ;)
- seed0
Good info. Are you using Django?
What do you think about Python for large enterprise apps?
I sometimes have discussions with dev coworkers about large companies in the US reluctance to use open source or anything other than J2EE.
- madirish0
Django is sweet. i am not using it for anything currently, nor have i, but there is a chance that i will in the near future.
i think python could not be used for anything better than ;arge enterprise apps!! seriously, it is rediculously powerful (if you have not used it before).
i have had the same exact conversations. I know so many devs who have left j2EE it is crazy for the very reasons that have come up in this thread. while powerful, it's model in the current to near future of the web is so outdated it is silly. the overhead to run those apps is crazy. a ZOPE/python solution is so much more powerful and modular, that from a pure project, company, cost, or development perspective, it makes no sense to not go that route.
are you working as a dev, or just a concerened, connected designer such as myself? ;)
- madirish0
the other aspect that is not being mentioned here, is that *not* going w/ an object-oriented DB for app. dev is kind of like coming to a steak dinner with a straw. it makes no sense to me why a group. etc would want to try and make an adapter for a square peg to go in their already stretched round hole when the solution could be so much more simple and non-repetative.
- seed0
I am primarily a UI Designer. I do some backend development and have worked really closely with developers over the last 7 years.
Over time I have a collected a small group of extremely talented prgrammers that I can call on now for freelance projects.
I am going to talk to some of them about some of the things you mentioned.
- seed0
That school house looks exactly like the one on Little House on the Prarie.
- seed0
woops wrong thread.
That school house looks exactly like the one on Little House on the Prarie.
seed
(Sep 15 06, 09:12)
- madirish0
man, it is crazy how much we have similar paths. i have basically done the exact same thing; UI, website, expereince designer for any medium (print, web, events, packaging, environmental graphics, etc) but worked intimatly w/ dev's as an art director for 7-8 years. my NT world has gotten small as hell this week!
i call on these same dev's for freelance projects as well and assemble remote teams to complete projects for clients globally. hey, if you ever need an AD w/ this experience, hit me! :) sounds like you may appproach design solutions similarly (sp?) as i do.
- madirish0
lol
- gabriel20
http://www.asp.net is a good place to start. If you don't have visual studio go download the express versions and you can get coding right away.
- akoni0
It seems like a large number of midsize projects in the US are choosing .NET. Could be worthwhile in that sense.
madirish, what do you prefer?
seed
(Sep 15 06, 08:18)
----------------only people who are still M$ obsessed for some reason.
.net....*gags*
- seed0
Our careers do sound really similar although I have always been in IT as opposed an agency with art direction. That is a big benefit of working with devs for so many years. All the ones I call on have the same qualities of what I sometimes call a programming genius.
They can take on any language or project no probrem. Even if they have never seen the language before.
I am really putting this to the test now. I am partnering with a friend who owns a studio downtown to bid on projects and assemble teams of the top devs I have met over the years.
If we need any additional help I'll let you know. Please do the same whether it is for CSS, web standards or complex development.
I like your site too btw.