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- todelete__20
I saw pictures a while ago that the engine and wheel base were the pieces that punched the holes.
Saw one photo after the last wall that was busted open and there was a giant engine laying there.
- Mirpour0
cool... any links ?
- -sputnik-0
i can't watch this either. what is the deal w/the windowless thing?
- Mirpour0
everyone should watch this...
very entertaining
- theplanet0
I thought the most compelling thing (maybe because it was the most simple to understand)
was the section about the cell phone calls from passengers.
You cant get reception when flying at that altitude.
Josh
- bolder0
couplae of other easy to understand details:
jet fuel burns at 1000 degrees
steel melts at 2000 degreesonly larry silversteins buildings fell, none others. And he just took out a very large insurance policy on them two months prior.
bush's cousin was in charge of security at the wtc.and his contract ended on 9/11
- hiten0
Its a very interesting video and brings up some kinda cool facts and images. I think it might be true.
- todelete__20
You cant get reception when flying at that altitude.
Josh
theplanet
(Mar 9 06, 09:54)Untrue. I've gotten calls from my buddies who play professional sports in Chicago from 30,000 feet before. The in plane phones no longer work because they were afraid Joe-bomb-in-his-ass would use the in plane phone to dial the bomb to detonate in his ass via the phone.
They tell you over and over not to use your phone in flight as it "Screws up the navigation and plane systems" Um... bullshit. You're telling me a cell phone signal is on the same frequency as the planes equipment!?! Why is this not a problem with it's landing or taking off hypothetically flying through potentially thousands of signals from people making calls on land? They just scare the shit out of you basically saying 'if you use your phone the plane will crash' bullshit so you dont use it.
However... I'm not going to try it though. You call first and if you post the next day it worked, if I read your name on the news how you died in a firey plane crash then I guess they were right.
- tommyb0
With respect to the Pentagon thing, when you strike a hammer on concrete, do you feel some heat off the hammer's head? Exactly. Multiply that against 500mph and add jet fuel to it, it gets MUCH hotter than 2000 degrees. I went through 3 years of engineering school and a couple of thermo classes. It's possible.
The insurance thing is intersting, but as for the calls, who said the planes flew back at 30K feet? Who's to say the pilots didn't go way down? Sems within the realm of possibility to me. Even likely.
Oh, and cell signals are not the problem, it's the devices. My phone causes my optical mouse to wig out. They don't know what device you have, so why take a chance with some obscure one that can cause interference. Pilots will tell you they need all the help they can get.
- theplanet0
As I understand it, cellphones are only a risk to navigation during take-off and landing. I always check to see if I get reception when I fly and I have never been able to.
the one attendent has a 20 miute uninterrupted phone conversation. Was your buddies call a clear signal?
Josh
- skt0
Kona, have you watched the video?
The cellphone thing is a result of an experiment. They got a percentage back of how many times they worked. It was pretty low as far as I remember.
The fact you once received a phone call at 30,000 feet from your buddies (who play professional sports) doesn't really negate their experiment and make them liars.
- bauts1060
they make a good point about the stewardess' phone call. She just witnessed two flight attendants slashed/stabbed/murdered with boxcutters, watched the piolts get killed, is threatened with a bomb, and communication with the cockpit is cut off. Yet throughout the whole call, no one screams, no ones heard speaking in the background, and she doesn't even sound nervous. If it was me I'd at LEAST sound a little worried if not straight up screaming into the phone the entire time. I dunno what kind of training flight attendants endure, but I would image a scene like that could tramatize a person.
- theplanet0
Here is a test
http://www.physics911.net/cellph…
The reason why a connection could only be established at some 1,500 ft above ground despite the fact that a signal was present already at some 6,000 ft may be that the speed of the traveling aircraft was too high at higher altitudes. It seems safe to say that the speed must be under 230 mph in order to establish a stable connection, a speed which an airliner can reach only during landing, with landing gear, air brakes and flaps all the way out.
It is generally agreed upon that all the airliners that crashed on September 11, 2001, flew at a high cruising speed of 500 mph and more until they crashed. Thus, it seems safe to say that no cell phone of any type could have established any stable connection to any cell site at that speed, no matter which height the planes flew at. This is particularly true for United Airlines flight 93, which did not only fly at high speed but also at a relatively high altitude during the time when the alleged cell phone calls were placed.
- todelete__20
Was your buddies call a clear signal?
Josh
theplanet
(Mar 9 06, 10:33)Yup. I thought he was calling from the airport. And skt... they call quite often as they travel from city to city every 4-5 days. :)
- theplanet0
here is this article too.
- mrdobolina0
Untrue. I've gotten calls from my buddies who play professional sports in Chicago from 30,000 feet before. The in plane phones no longer work because they were afraid Joe-bomb-in-his-ass would use the in plane phone to dial the bomb to detonate in his ass via the phone.
They tell you over and over not to use your phone in flight as it "Screws up the navigation and plane systems" Um... bullshit. You're telling me a cell phone signal is on the same frequency as the planes equipment!?! Why is this not a problem with it's landing or taking off hypothetically flying through potentially thousands of signals from people making calls on land? They just scare the shit out of you basically saying 'if you use your phone the plane will crash' bullshit so you dont use it.
However... I'm not going to try it though. You call first and if you post the next day it worked, if I read your name on the news how you died in a firey plane crash then I guess they were right.
kOna
(Mar 9 06, 10:22)hahaha
"I've gotten calls from my buddies who play professional sports in Chicago from 30,000 feet before. "
pump yo brakes, dude. hahaha
- withSound0
Maybe the cell phone conversation has its loopholes but you've have to be completely blind not to see that there's a conspiracy to hide the truth here. In fact everything points to the whole thing being an inside job.
I'm also convinced some of the operatives were placed on the ground with video cameras posing as normal citizens so that they can tape the mission unfold and present the video to the media and remain anonimous.
Ever wonder why there are so many clear and convinient clips of the crashes going down on the WTC?
Folks, its really important to always discuss these things among ourselves so that the truth doesn't fade away. It needs to be a constrant reminder to the "family" that they will never get away with this no matter what they believe.
- todelete__20
hey mrdobolina, how about you get off my nuts for just one day.
- todelete__20
and just so you know, i had to say that they play professional sports because 'normal' folk can't make calls during a plane ride now can they?
so... if i would have just said 'i've gotten calls from friends at 30,000 feet' you would be calling bullshit, so... here we are, you on my nutz.