bush to be indicted?
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- ukit
It would almost be too much to hope but some interesting rumors are floating around this weekend...
- ********0
there's no chance for that. I hate the administration and all but it would be bad for the country.
- Boz0
so uberdesigner, I don't really get your point. If they do stuff like this that they should beindicted. How can this be bad for the country? If anything it would be a great thing for the country because it would show that there's some hope left in this show that they call government. This is just one of the things that has some kind of proof out there and God knows what they did for all this time and we actually don't know about, becuase it's always national security, top secret or shit like that. Did you ever try to look at the so called public documents with CIA or anything related to higher government officials. Half of that shit is scribbled out so you actually don't see shit.
I think it went on long enough. These people think they are untouchable and do what they want when they come into power and nobody can stop them.
I think it's great, and if you did things with criminal intent, you should go to jail, no matter whether you're a president or not. He's after all a president and that doesn't give him the right to do whatever he wants. And even if he didn't do anything, he is still responsible for his buddies in the administration.
I just don't understand your views.
- fate_0
I pretty much agree with Boz 100%. If you're worried about some loss of prestige, well that's bullshit. In the eyes of the world, America would be stepping the fuck up to tell its corrupt leaders to fuck off. And that is good.
- Bullitt0
Its a scary thing when you think about what actions America might have took after 911 if Bush was not in power... Might have even been prevented..
- chameleonic0
True enough -America would win back some of the respect it has recently so shamedly lost in the eyes of the world. and it might also help stop it slipping into the grip of fasicsm as it currently seems to be. Democracy my arse!
- Bluejam0
george's response
- blaw0
Interesting article from New York Times writer, Paul Krugman:
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Bill Frist, the Senate majority leader, is under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission.
He sold all his stock in HCA, which his father helped found, just days before the stock plunged. Two years ago, Mr. Frist claimed that he did not even know if he owned HCA stock.
According to a new U.S. government index, the effect of greenhouse gases is up 20 percent since 1990.
Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a 33-year-old Wall Street insider with little experience in regulation but close ties to drug firms, was made a deputy commissioner at the F.D.A. in July. (This story, picked up by Time magazine, was originally reported by Alicia Mundy of The Seattle Times.)
The Artic ice cap is shrinking at an alarming rate.
Two of the three senior positions at the Occupational Safety and Health Administration are vacant. The third is held by Jonathan Snare, a former lobbyist.
Texans for Public Justice, a watchdog group, reports that he worked on efforts to keep ephedra, a dietary supplement that was banned by the F.D.A., legal.
According to France's finance minister, Alan Greenspan told him that the United States had "lost control" of its budget deficit.
David Safavian is a former associate of Jack Abramoff, the recently indicted lobbyist. Mr. Safavian oversaw U.S. government procurement policy at the White House Office of Management and Budget until his recent arrest.
When Senator James Inhofe, who has called scientific research on global warming "a gigantic hoax," called a hearing to attack that research, his star witness was Michael Crichton, the novelist.
Mr. Safavian is charged with misrepresenting his connections with lobbyists - specifically, Mr. Abramoff - while working at the General Services Administration.
A key event was a lavish golfing trip to Scotland in 2002, mostly paid for by a charity Mr. Abramoff controlled. Among those who went on the trip was Representative Bob Ney of Ohio.
It's not possible to attribute any one weather event to global warming. But climate models show that global warming will lead to increased hurricane intensity, and some research indicates that this is already occurring.
Tyco paid $2 million, most going to firms controlled by Mr. Abramoff, as part of its successful effort to preserve tax advantages it got from shifting its legal home to Bermuda. Timothy Flanigan, a general counsel at Tyco, has been nominated for the second-ranking Justice Department post.
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans is awash in soldiers and police. Nonetheless, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has hired Blackwater USA, a private security firm with strong political connections, to provide armed guards.
Mr. Abramoff was indicted last month on charges of fraud relating to his purchase of SunCruz, a casino boat operation.
Mr. Ney inserted comments in the Congressional Record attacking SunCruz's original owner, Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis, placing pressure on him to sell to Mr. Abramoff and his partner, Adam Kidan, and praised Mr. Kidan's character.
James Schmitz, who resigned as the Pentagon's inspector general amid questions about his performance, has been hired as Blackwater's chief operating officer.
Last week three men were arrested in connection with the gangland-style murder of Mr. Boulis. SunCruz, after it was controlled by Mr. Kidan and Mr. Abramoff, paid a company controlled by one of the men arrested, Anthony "Big Tony" Moscatiello, and his daughter $145,000 for catering and other work.
In court documents, questions are raised about whether food and drink were ever provided. SunCruz paid $95,000 to a company in which one of the other men arrested, Anthony "Little Tony" Ferrari, is a principal.
Iraq's oil production remains below prewar levels. The Los Angeles Times reports that mistakes by U.S. officials and a Halliburton subsidiary, which was given large no-bid reconstruction contracts, may have permanently damaged Iraq's oilfields.
Tom DeLay, who stepped down as House majority leader after his indictment, once called Mr. Abramoff "one of my closest and dearest friends."
Mr. Abramoff funneled funds from clients to conservative institutions and causes. The Washington Post reported that associates of Mr. DeLay claim that he severed the relationship after Mr. Boulis's murder.
Public health experts warn that the U.S. would be dangerously unprepared for an avian flu pandemic.
As Walter Cronkite used to say, That's the way it is.
Paul Krugman
- Anarchitect0
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- ********0
Look, only, AND only if the democrats can win a majority in either the House or the Senate - then they can start REAL investigations into this stuff with subpeona powers et al. which they've been locked out of by being the minority party..
If the elections are still rigged with those paperless touch screen voting machines this rampant cronyism will be the whimper by which the American experiment dies..
- ********0
name a leader that isn't corrupt
done
- ********0
there's no chance for that. I hate the administration and all but it would be bad for the country.
uberdesigner
(Oct 2 05, 21:06)
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Yeah, I'm sure that was a top priority in the minds of the Republicans when they went after Clinton for that blowjob - "Gee, maybe we shouldn't go after the guy - you know, it'd be bad for the country and all..."F***ers. Their karma stick is burning up...
- theclassof19340
president suharto
- ********0
name a leader that isn't corrupt
done
JazX
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Jaz, that's not the point. All politicians get dirty - it's the nature of the beast. The issue, for me especially, is that what made America great is we actually had a proffessional cadre of civil servant middle managers - from NASA, to FEMA, to the EPA, FDA, straight through to the military.Bush has decimated this professional class by going for the societ/corpoprate type power appointees that have nothing to do with merit.
The US got great on the backs of caring, professional middle management in government. Corrupt politicians come and go, it's the guys that actyually make things work that matter.
If the mayor is corrupt is one thing, but if you can bribe the traffic cop out of a ticket that's another. That's what seperated the US from Mexico, Eastern Europe, Asia and any other place where corruption was rampant.
Bush and his cronies has blown that apart.