Avant Garde
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- rabattski0
lets make a deal.
we have avant garde.
we have avant garde crooked (your version)
and we're waiting for avant garde alternate.
ok?
deal?
- vburo0
uh.. *cough
zou kunne..
*wijst naar qbn
*cough cough
*fluit, kijkt achteloos weg
- rabattski0
waiting till it's released and we'll buy it. that's what i meant.
- vburo0
ofcourse!!
i will buy it and then NEVER use it!
:D
- rabattski0
roflmaaaaargho :)
- Typographica0
What we're seeing in those GIFs is the old Scangraphic SB version of the AG Alts. SB stands for Super Body, which essentially means it's designed for use in small pt sizes. The little cuts in the crotches are "ink traps" which help the shapes stay true when printed small on soaky paper.
The Avant Garde Alts that were just released by E+F and FontShop are based on Scangraphic's SH (Super Headline) design. That means no ink traps.
Enough background yadda. Here are the links:
http://www.fontshop.com/virtual/…
http://www.fontshop.com/index.cf…
- mattyd0
you really hate that font, don't you janne?
- NegativeSpace0
Im suprised many didn't know they were ink traps like typograpjica said. Other faces such as Bell Centennial (designed for phone books on low qual paper) have the same features.
I would be happy if I didn't have to see the avant garde alternates used again :)
- vburo0
haha this is like muhammed and the mountain.. if nt'ers refuse to visit typgraphica for this typographica will come down to NT to explain haha..
interesting to hear it's all been done on purpose for technical reasons! thx for clearing that up.
...and no i don't hate it: it's nice, it makes me think of all the fashion magazines my mom has archived in a box from the seventies..so it's sort of nostalgia.. but now i see it used just for the elegance of the font itself or only for the nostalgia of it. there's nothing wrong with that every now and then.. but go see a UK design portfolio related to music and/or fashion and you will see that font so much it will start to annoy the fuck out of ya..
well at least it did with me.
- Typographica0
Amen, vburo, on most counts.
BTW, I like what you did with your Clarendon logo. Never can have too many ball terms.
- vburo0
thx.
it's a simple way of making a font your own almost eh?
it just requires balls.. well only one ball in this case though.
;P
- rabattski0
good info there typographica!
- spaniard0
Great liink neg space - someone should make the avant garde story into a film; christopher lee as Lubalin, Ian holm as Carnase...
- rabattski0
can i be the character A? the alternate one?
- spaniard0
nope - clive owen's playing the A...
- rabattski0
fuck! :)
- vburo0
the alternate V then, it leans over so cool. would have been great for James Dean but alas.. he's dead..
- vburo0
Im suprised many didn't know they were ink traps like typograpjica said. Other faces such as Bell Centennial (designed for phone books on low qual paper) have the same features.
I would be happy if I didn't have to see the avant garde alternates used again :)
journal.aiga.org/conte...
NegativeSpace
(Apr 5 05, 15:24)Well as a matter of fact i know about that phonebook type story, but i never named it ink traps.. Currently reading a great theory book by Gerard Unger in which is explained that in small and narrow bodytext (newspapers, phonebooks) this technique is used to eliminate high concentrations of black in order to maintain legibility.
i guess we call it ink traps then?