Tables vs. CSS Layout
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- frankosonik0
IT pros and web designers fight about this stuff like has-been jocks fight over a bad call during a YMCA pickup game. This is one of those arguments that doesn't have a correct answer. File it in the Mac vs. PC drawer.
However, to those who fear the latest advancements in web design technology -- keep using tables. The next generation of online content will be shown on a variety of devices; not just browsers and PDAs, but refrigerators, ebooks, shopping carts, etc. This will require the separation of layout and content that CSS/XHTML provides.
- JamesEngage0
tables for me... but that is all i need to centrally position a flash file. ;)
- Blofeldt0
Yeah, i haven't changed that yet, did it ages ago. Not much point in changing it though.
- shaft0
I predict every refrigerator will play flash 10
- Blofeldt0
I don't want my milk tweened thank you very much
- ********0
everyone keeps talking about CSS being invented by geeks instead of designers...
try on this:
HTML, the Computer, the Internet, the mouse, the keyboard, all of it were invented by simular minds.
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In most cases CSS is not ready in its purist form- sometimes mixing tables in is a must depending on the job- but it IS the future and it IS a better way of organizing and developing content and style for the web.
- imakedesign0
Sparker i think you might be right but we could still lose cool site like these:
- Blofeldt0
I fucking love those sort of sites. I believe they're the next Uber cool design style. Well actually, they're already happening
- sparker0
haha. yea, it will be a black day in web history when fuchsia tiled backgrounds and lime green blinking text fade away completely.
- Spilt-Milk0
If you're in a big fortune 500 company there probably ain't the business case for making the transition yet. Tim = Money and all that.
Peep this: http://www.mikeindustries.com/bl…
A very refreshing look at CSS and all the gubbins.
- JamesEngage0
Tim = Money
haha
- Spilt-Milk0
Yeah - it's a well known busniness saying.
- unfitdutchfat0
Tables for sure
- xau0
He just doesn't know CSS well enough to pull it off.
He's getting paid too much.
- xau0
Mike Davidson...
I read that the other day.He doesn't know his shit either.
Standards exist to bring order to chaos, not to just keep Tim Berners Lee (and hundreds of others) 'busy'.
- ********0
Wow - alot of intense responses here. Didn't mean to stir up so much venom when I started this.
Some clarification: My friend DOES understand and use CSS - he just won't and will not use it for his day job. He overseas banking and stock market page implementation for one of the largest banks in the world. It's all dynamic and the users need everything to run seamless ann smooth. - and you can not count that someone doesn't have a compliant browser when they are transferring gazillion of dollars from accounts, stock trades, etc...
This is why he simply will not use CSS for layout at this point.
- adrian0
Vritually everybody nowadays uses CSS for font formatting - and virtually everytbody would also use it for layout as well if you could do one thing and one thing only: a designer designs a page in Photoshop and hands it off to a sitebuilder who builds exactly that page. You can with tables, but with CSS and all the issues that still exist in different browsers it's not so easy.
All the other stuff - whether it displays on a PDA, or will be viewable in 5 years, or passes the W3C validation test - is beside the point. And if you handcode your tables well, the size difference between CSS layout and tables is negliigible.
Honestly, I WISH I could make everything in XHTML that validates. But it just isn't possible all the time and the reasons to do so (view on a PDA?) just are not high priorities.
- Uptown_Jesus0
isnt xhtml and css the way to go when designing for wap? and isnt that where information technology is heading anyway/
- spiralstarez0
adrian:
Is true in some senses, though CSS coded pages are always smaller - the big industry example (and admittedly this matters more with size of site) is ESPN
http://www.marketingvox.com/arch…
also, CSS sites are always faster. For browsers to render tables they have to render everything in the table before displaying. In CSS each DIV loads individually, the response IS noticable.
If you don't think, try building a simple site of each and load each.
- CBSTHLM0
Uptown_Jesus:
Who uses WAP??
Ok. I check what´s on tv once in a while through wap... but i mean with all the new 3G things... wap isnt really that usable anymore?
Might be wrong though.
now: sleep...