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- mrdobolina0
oh, I am quite sure jevad will be just fine.
- jevad0
no I meant get into a discussion about it on here!!
I am already developing tableless sites thanks very much!
- mg330
I'm excited to learn it and perhaps use in this site, but I fear for anyone who has to make updates other than me if they don't know those types of layouts.
- imakedesign0
fair enough.
- imakedesign0
mg33 thats the whole point of CSS. seperate your content from your layout. you can change the look of a 500 page website in a matter of seconds while changing content without the fear of 'breaking' the design.
- jevad0
as it happens I agree with you - but you can't jsut make the transition overnight....
- instantok0
i've just started to learn and use table-less layouts in an effort to separate content from presentation (a bit) and i have to say that it is quite refreshing to have code actually make sense when you look at it...also, there tends to be a lot less of it (though as a result the CSS file becoming heavier)
so some resources that have helped me:
http://www.corecss.com/propertie…
http://www.westciv.com/style_mas…http://css.maxdesign.com.au/inde…
http://www.glish.com/css/
http://www.stylegala.com/
http://www.alistapart.com/
- imakedesign0
agreed. we are not there yet. css can be a head fuck, browser support is not 100% and things can just be easier (in the short term) with tables.
but how often have you had a client say 'i want those links purple with a green background' and you have to go though and change every fucking link.
with CSS its a 2 second job
- instantok0
well you can still use css to control type in a table based layout...i think it makes the content easier to manipulate once you eliminate tables
- mg330
imakedesign,
I get what you're saying, but maybe we should distinguish the two things by sites that use CSS for text control (which EVERY site should, and is easy) and sites that use CSS for full layout, no tables (which obviously is quite a bit to learn, but worthwhile.)
What I want to know is, what you end up with, how close can you get to the look you would have achieved with tables?
Ex: Could Newstoday be redone with total CSS and still look exactly, 100% the same?
- jevad0
what dude said ^
- instantok0
mg33...yes...you can have exactly the same results...it's just a matter of learning a new method of producing them...
i was really frustrated when i started to switch over...felt like when you first learn html...but now that i know it it is sooo much easier than using tables...imho of course
- jevad0
point in case: new pac sun site
- spiralstarez0
it seperates content from presentation, has smaller filesize, loads faster, indexes better on search engines, etc. etc.
With knowledge of how it works it degrades well into all the 4 browsers, and more importantly is much more applicable to emerging web viewers such as PDAs and web browsers for visually impaired.
Also, you can do a lot with CSS such as dropdowns/rollOvers without resorting to javascript.
- spiralstarez0
mg33:
Not only can you just style the text - if you wanted to you could switch the whole layout on a site just by switching the stylesheet.
If you are absolute positioning divs in your HTML, it doesn't matter where you place them in your HTML document, the position is determined in the stylesheet. you could change the entire layout and order of things on your page without ever opening your HTML doc if you built it that way.
I would say you can do 95% of things with CSS as you can with HTML. Some of it is work arounds and hacks admittedly, but you can make things work
- janne0
i hear animated gifs are coming back and their gonna be huge....
robotron3k
(Jan 28 05, 12:13)Huge? Like what? Over 1MB?
omg!
- imakedesign0
sorry if i go on a bit :-)
what should be remembered is tables is a web standard, they won’t go away its just for years we have all been using them for layout instead of what they were actually designed for.
its cool that people are trying to use CSS text control as we are starting a transitional period hence XHTML, but we are all going to have to accept that change is inventible.
CSS full sites might take a little bit longer to design initially but the flexibility they offer surely make them worthwhile. NewsToday could be done with CSS, it would look the same.
Check out the source code of sites like.
http://www.wired.com/
http://www.microsoft.com/if you want to start with CSS dreamweaver mx 2004 actually has some great tools, makes it much easier than you might think.
- fues0
"Arial dominates as the body text typeface for the year."
"Minitel will eventually take over the Internet."
"I am Santa Claus."
- mg330
One final question and then I'm outta here, into the cold cold night...
If you lay out a site Photoshop and ImageReady, and that's kind of a method you've used for while, but want to incorporate CSS layout after ImageReady, this is probably possible, right?
Thanks, have a good night :)
- imakedesign0
do your design in photoshop then use it to work out your positioning in CSS.
i would get out of the habit of using image ready.